Arclite Bmx Co beef/Rant

i remember when that guy first posted. he ate sooo much shit.

cupovjoe wrote: i remember when that guy first posted. he ate sooo much shit.

He should. It's a stupid design. He got shit on tcu worse, because people on there actually know about welding. Especially, manical, who he avoided because he's a nuclear welder, his welds get x-raid etc.

Never seen it before! Ima do some research!

Holey shit never mind, I know who your talking about!

For those who have no idea...Click all the pics

http://www.vitalbmx.com/photos/member/ArcLite,37211/Gangster-frame-007-Medium,61517/Ryan-Robinson,38348

sorry ressler but I think he has a very very legit design. I like how it looks and I imagine it feels good.

i'll admit, i like how it looks, but there's absolutely no problem with the bends in frames we have now. function over cosmetics any day.

Yeah it looks cool but that is one weak frame.

I think it would offer about the same strenth really.

considering that welding blends molybdenum to the to the molybdenum in the other tube to form an alloy A GREAT weld would we the same as a bend its technically one tube once the alloys are blended enough!

Not that im an expert in welding but from what I have learned in chemistry class its perfectly feasible that with a good enough weld it would be at least close to as strong and structurally it would feel more rigid.

funtington wrote: I think it would offer about the same strenth really.

considering that welding blends molybdenum to the to the molybdenum in the other tube to form an alloy A GREAT weld would we the same as a bend its technically one tube once the alloys are blended enough!

Not that im an expert in welding but from what I have learned in chemistry class its perfectly feasible that with a good enough weld it would be at least close to as strong and structurally it would feel more rigid.

But you know nothing about metals or welding. More welding points = more breaking points. Chemistry isn't helping you with that. Even if it did will it help with the fact he used no fixture? Where did you get you're forming an alloy? It won't be ANYWHERE near as strong. I'm AWS certified, and my brother is AWS,DOT,robotics and tons of others, I'm pretty sure Ryan isn't.

funtington wrote: sorry ressler but I think he has a very very legit design. I like how it looks and I imagine it feels good.

it may look nice, but is it strong? No.

funtington wrote: I think it would offer about the same strenth really.

considering that welding blends molybdenum to the to the molybdenum in the other tube to form an alloy A GREAT weld would we the same as a bend its technically one tube once the alloys are blended enough!

Not that im an expert in welding but from what I have learned in chemistry class its perfectly feasible that with a good enough weld it would be at least close to as strong and structurally it would feel more rigid.

Ressler711 wrote: But you know nothing about metals or welding. More welding points = more breaking points. Chemistry isn't helping you with that. Even if it did will it help with the fact he used no fixture? Where did you get you're forming an alloy? It won't be ANYWHERE near as strong. I'm AWS certified, and my brother is AWS,DOT,robotics and tons of others, I'm pretty sure Ryan isn't.

My dad has been a welder 30 years. custom fab mass fab anything you could do he has done.

And from what I have been able to pick up a good weld is just as solid as no weld.


And in that picture I believe he is adding a gusset the tubes were most likely welded in cast (could be wrong) Your not giving him enough credit.At least he is out there doing shit.

funtington wrote: My dad has been a welder 30 years. custom fab mass fab anything you could do he has done.

And from what I have been able to pick up a good weld is just as solid as no weld.


And in that picture I believe he is adding a gusset the tubes were most likely welded in cast (could be wrong) Your not giving him enough credit.At least he is out there doing shit.

The weld can be just as strong but it weakens the material around the weld.

Ressler711 wrote: But you know nothing about metals or welding. More welding points = more breaking points. Chemistry isn't helping you with that. Even if it did will it help with the fact he used no fixture? Where did you get you're forming an alloy? It won't be ANYWHERE near as strong. I'm AWS certified, and my brother is AWS,DOT,robotics and tons of others, I'm pretty sure Ryan isn't.

funtington wrote: My dad has been a welder 30 years. custom fab mass fab anything you could do he has done.

And from what I have been able to pick up a good weld is just as solid as no weld.


And in that picture I believe he is adding a gusset the tubes were most likely welded in cast (could be wrong) Your not giving him enough credit.At least he is out there doing shit.

Twisted654 wrote: The weld can be just as strong but it weakens the material around the weld.

I could see that happening but there is a brace right next to wehere the material would be weak right?

idk those chainstays are hideous..

I could see the chainstay snapping . I would NEVER pay that much for a frame that isn't a big compant. Rather go to Sunday, or FBM.

ferthebirdz wrote: idk those chainstays are hideous..

I would have to agree with you!

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I did not notice the welds on the stays before I don't like that, and possibly is laying on the table for some finishing touches, after been done up in the jig. Not uncommon did it all the time at factories with car parts. I still don't think 350 is all that bad for a custom frame made to your own specs, thats a hundred cheaper then a custom to your own spec from FBM. But I must say at this point after Ressler pointing out the welds on the stays, I'd rather spend the extra and Get The FBM, till I seen more proof and testing from this frame. I still do like the fact that its American made, and rider owned. What do you think would be stronger something cut at an angle and butted together, or rather somthing just bent.

Over 30 and still riding wrote: I did not notice the welds on the stays before I don't like that, and possibly is laying on the table for some finishing touches, after been done up in the jig. Not uncommon did it all the time at factories with car parts. I still don't think 350 is all that bad for a custom frame made to your own specs, thats a hundred cheaper then a custom to your own spec from FBM. But I must say at this point after Ressler pointing out the welds on the stays, I'd rather spend the extra and Get The FBM, till I seen more proof and testing from this frame. I still do like the fact that its American made, and rider owned. What do you think would be stronger something cut at an angle and butted together, or rather somthing just bent.

there not custom through he made three models if i remember correctly.

Over 30 and still riding wrote: I did not notice the welds on the stays before I don't like that, and possibly is laying on the table for some finishing touches, after been done up in the jig. Not uncommon did it all the time at factories with car parts. I still don't think 350 is all that bad for a custom frame made to your own specs, thats a hundred cheaper then a custom to your own spec from FBM. But I must say at this point after Ressler pointing out the welds on the stays, I'd rather spend the extra and Get The FBM, till I seen more proof and testing from this frame. I still do like the fact that its American made, and rider owned. What do you think would be stronger something cut at an angle and butted together, or rather somthing just bent.

Twisted654 wrote: there not custom through he made three models if i remember correctly.

Then his website is misleading on the custom model. Says you can pic all different sizes of top tubes, dia of tubes, gussets if you want them and not, and so on, and head and seat tube angles.

Over 30 and still riding wrote: Then his website is misleading on the custom model. Says you can pic all different sizes of top tubes, dia of tubes, gussets if you want them and not, and so on, and head and seat tube angles.

Ah, I have never seen his website I am just going off what he said in his posts. My bad.

I only seen the one post what is the other one's I hear off?

http://www.vitalbmx.com/...angster-frame,449374

http://thecomeupbmx.net/...wthread.php?p=747663

http://www.bmx-forum.com/...c6c43bc9385&t=194858

http://www.vitalbmx.com/...X-frames-pics,405446


http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/BMX-Stuff-For-Sale,17/arclite-custom-BMX-frames,352784
http://thecomeupbmx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50514
http://thecomeupbmx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49391


There is more but I can find them right now.

Over 30 and still riding wrote: I only seen the one post what is the other one's I hear off?

Ahhh who cares, I only like T1, S&M, FBM, and dare I say Superstar frames anyways. Got to have one taiwanees frame in there.

Twisted654 wrote: http://www.vitalbmx.com/...angster-frame,449374

http://thecomeupbmx.net/...wthread.php?p=747663

http://www.bmx-forum.com/...c6c43bc9385&t=194858

http://www.vitalbmx.com/...X-frames-pics,405446


http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/BMX-Stuff-For-Sale,17/arclite-custom-BMX-frames,352784
http://thecomeupbmx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50514
http://thecomeupbmx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49391


There is more but I can find them right now.

Thanks dude

gangster frame is only 270 but i'd rather get another superstar for $100 unless this guy posts some vids or pics of it actually getting ridden HARD then no one is going to buy his frame. the bars might be nice but he needs to at least post a pic of them

Twisted654 wrote: http://www.vitalbmx.com/...angster-frame,449374

http://thecomeupbmx.net/...wthread.php?p=747663

http://www.bmx-forum.com/...c6c43bc9385&t=194858

http://www.vitalbmx.com/...X-frames-pics,405446


http://www.vitalbmx.com/forums/BMX-Stuff-For-Sale,17/arclite-custom-BMX-frames,352784
http://thecomeupbmx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50514
http://thecomeupbmx.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49391


There is more but I can find them right now.

Over 30 and still riding wrote: Thanks dude

no problem that last one is probably the best one.

funtington wrote: My dad has been a welder 30 years. custom fab mass fab anything you could do he has done.

And from what I have been able to pick up a good weld is just as solid as no weld.


And in that picture I believe he is adding a gusset the tubes were most likely welded in cast (could be wrong) Your not giving him enough credit.At least he is out there doing shit.

Twisted654 wrote: The weld can be just as strong but it weakens the material around the weld.

funtington wrote: I could see that happening but there is a brace right next to wehere the material would be weak right?

I went to school and have a degree in welding, just throwing that out there for those who don't know.

Wow. All I have to say. He burned through on the head tube, that extra joint on the chainstays is a TERRIBLE idea. Extra weight and a weaker point. I think in that welding on the table pic he is putting a gusset on, which is a bit less necessary to be in a jig. The welds could still warp the frame a little bit though...

The extra weld on those CS's will have weaker points on either side of the welds (where most welds tend to break anyway), and the CS bridge (Brace, as you call it) would only support that side. The side closer to the dropouts will be weaker than a bend, and much more likely to break. Also, based on the Headtube burn through, chances are he did that everywhere. (went too slow, with too much heat.) I give him credit for trying something and all, but with the obvious flaws in design and workmanship, I don't see this going very far. He does have some decent looking welds, but the welds on the CS and SS joints (that should not be there) are complete crap.

On picture #2 of that slideshow posted, if you look at the CS bridge, you can see a spot where he burned through, and then patched back up by going over it again.

I wouldn't trust this frame further than I could throw it, due to the obvious lack in attention to detail, knowledge of proper heat to use for the welds/materials, structural integrity, burned through welds, and his poor attempt at putting a logo on a picture by using MS Paint and the spray paint tool. Oh and look at the heat put onto the Headset bearing race on pic 4. SOOO reckless.