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Is going big means your good?

4/25/2014 10:51 PM

Thoughts...

A homie rides. He runs 28/9 and blasts everything. Full speed , everything big. He can 3 , tuck , manual, and blast. That's about it. Not dissing but I don't see anything technical. He can air 4 kids and 6 bikes but I haven't seen him do anything tech .

A friend and I agree , we find ourselves better. Not that it's a competetion but it seems like all it is , is balls and no brains. The guy is seriously fucking retarded....like he chills at a 24 story building he's building and eats lunch sitting on the side of it. Crazy guy. Great rider and cool guy but I'll do a decent line with like 4-5 tricks and no one cares but he does a high 360 and it seems like he's pro.

Just seeing what you guys think. I respect it , but is that mean you're "good" ? I know dumb fucks will reply and be butthurt...not trying to start anything , it's just a thought.

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4/25/2014 11:23 PM

Its like comparing Sean Burns and Ben Lewis..

There is no answer to your question. Youre comparing two totally different styles of riding. Do what you do and let him do what he does, and just have fun.

But coming from a non-rider perspective- a huge, gigantic, death defying 360 fly out is way cooler than say a 360 flat, feeble barspin, 180 bar fakie full cab line. Why? Because it's MUCH BIGGER and could result in more serious injury MUCH EASIER!

Now coming from a rider's perspective- most of us know that the line mentioned above is easily MUCH HARDER to do than a gigantic 360 fly out and requires much more practice. So majority of riders will find the line more entertaining because they know what it actually takes to do that, while anyone who can 360 fly out and has a big left nut can do a huge 360 fly out.

Worry about you and not him and go have your own fun while he has his.

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4/25/2014 11:30 PM

"A friend and I agree , we find ourselves better. Not that it's a competition". Sounds like you think it is. It doesn't matter if he's better than you or not. Just ride and have fun.

4/26/2014 12:08 AM

Quit worrying about that shit and worry about riding your bike

4/26/2014 12:20 AM

I kinda know what you mean since I've been in a similar situation before. It depends who's observing though & what their idea of good is. There's a rider here, doesn't ride much anymore though, who would bunny hop tons of bar height things, even 180 them, and stuff like that. He was seen as really good by some people, but to others he was seen as "just that dude who hops everything" and since he & I had a rivalry sort of thing, people would compare us and our riding even though we rode pretty dissimilar.. but to some people, I was the better rider since I had a larger trick bag. In some people's eyes, he was the better rider since he had more balls. In my eyes (not to sound cocky) we're both good in our right.

Bottom line, ride how you want to. Don't get discouraged just because people see him as a better rider. To other people, you might seem to be the better rider. Like I said, it depends who's observing. If someone who likes seeing 45mph balls to the wall riding, hitting gaps and whatnot, they'll like him. But if they like your kinda style better, they'll like you more.

4/26/2014 1:41 AM

Two different styles man. Big and fast stuff is nice and dangerous which give it a plus.

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4/26/2014 7:02 AM

Dude its freestyle. Let him do what he wants.

4/26/2014 8:02 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/26/2014 8:03 AM

BMX_Forever wrote: "A friend and I agree , we find ourselves better. Not that it's a competition". Sounds like you think it is. It doesn't matter if he's better than you or not. Just ride and have fun.

This.

And this post is why I don't even bother riding at skateparks. It shouldn't matter " who's good" and who has " better lines" . If you want to prove youre better than someone go play football. And I'm not some " dumbfuck who's butthurt" I just think it's pointless. You kids look up to pros too much and worry way too much about what people are riding or tricks theyre doing or who's better or whos bike is more "swaggydoe" half of you belong in other sports like football and baseball and shit like that. Bmx (and skating for that matter) have gone downhill lol. If the guy doesn't want to do feebles on a peg height ledge because he sees it on thecomeup that doesn't mean anything.

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4/26/2014 8:04 AM

Mike Hoder. That should answer this question.

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4/26/2014 8:32 AM

He's just got a different riding style than you, that's all. It's like if I go to a skatepark, I'll have fun but I can't air and all that crap yet so I look pretty bad. But if you see me in the streets at a spot that I really enjoy, you would know that park just isn't something that I am good at yet and I am definitely more of a street rider.

I have a friend your friend though. He can wheelie for a really long time and 360 but he just enjoys doing really big drops and going really fast and high more than sitting at a grind ledge, thinking of lines, and then doing them. That's just how he is.

It's just their opinion. That's how those guys like to ride. There really is no answer to the question "Who is better?" and there really shouldn't have to be. It really doesn't matter! If you enjoy riding with him, keep doing it and watch him have fun doing his thing while you do yours!

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4/26/2014 8:54 AM

Yes and No. If you are good at going high and stuff, then you are good at that. If you are good at tech lines, then you are good at that. Does it mean one is better than another? No. I go to skateparks and cant air higher than 2 foot but i can do way better technical lines and way harder tricks.

Really, if you want my perspective, i'd say generally technical riders are smarter. It takes more brains than it does balls. And people with more brains like that sort of thing. It is more mathematically complicated and critically it is completely different. You can't analyze an air out like you can analyze a grind line or a flat spin. Why? There isn't much to an air. Now that i have learned them i can tell you that. Pull hard, lean back and push hard on your legs and make sure both tires hit coping. Thats it. The rest is just speed and style. Nothing more than that.

Neither is a better rider. I can go to a skatepark and ride all day and play a game of BIKE with some parky, flow rider that Pennsylvania trails created and possibly lose, or maybe win. It really depends on if i do a flat truck or a turndown. He will beat me with a turndown over a big park gap, but i can still flat truck. If that makes any sense.


And honestly there was this guy who could backflip and whip and was a basic park rat. I won one time. How? FAKIES. Those park rats can't fakie. I just 180d off some stuff and he couldnt. but he could backflip. haha

4/26/2014 10:34 AM

Riding big is fun for those who like it.
Riding tech is fun for those who like it.

I like the way sunday put it..

Anyone else watching is out of your control. If people respect something ballsy... ok, let them. Who cares. Ride for yourself and your own enjoyment.

....eating lunch on a 24 story building sounds like a good time to me. lol

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4/26/2014 10:36 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/26/2014 10:36 AM

You should be thankful that you have people to ride with especially people with varying styles so it doesn't have to be a competition.

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4/26/2014 10:43 AM

Sounds like he's out having fun and you're being a little bitch.

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4/26/2014 12:50 PM

sundaybmxRR wrote: I kinda know what you mean since I've been in a similar situation before. It depends who's observing though & what their idea of good is. There's a rider here, doesn't ride much anymore though, who would bunny hop tons of bar height things, even 180 them, and stuff like that. He was seen as really good by some people, but to others he was seen as "just that dude who hops everything" and since he & I had a rivalry sort of thing, people would compare us and our riding even though we rode pretty dissimilar.. but to some people, I was the better rider since I had a larger trick bag. In some people's eyes, he was the better rider since he had more balls. In my eyes (not to sound cocky) we're both good in our right.

Bottom line, ride how you want to. Don't get discouraged just because people see him as a better rider. To other people, you might seem to be the better rider. Like I said, it depends who's observing. If someone who likes seeing 45mph balls to the wall riding, hitting gaps and whatnot, they'll like him. But if they like your kinda style better, they'll like you more.

balls. In my eyes (not to sound cocky) lmfao

But really just ride I like blasting shit personally

4/26/2014 4:16 PM

For the people with good replies thanks...as I stated , of course people will give me shit for things I mentioned.

For 1 , let me re-state , I couldn't give a FUCK how good I am or how other riders are. I should have reworded stuff. In fact I was chilling yesterday after this post with a guy who did a half cab down a 3 set into a bank ,hop over crankarm a flat rail to manual to whip into another bank , finishing with a flyout bar. Did I care he just destroyed the park and wasn't a local or a known friend? No. It was good chilling. I was having fun with my little manual to nollie line , just as much as he was doing his crazy shit. Which , can relate to my friend.


I think Sunday summarized what I mean pretty well. Yes , I know styles are different , I just meant , does going big mean you're good?

I have plenty of fun , and ride with 10+ year experienced riders to kids who can't even 180. So I don't really care about skill. It was just a vast comparssion.

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4/26/2014 5:22 PM

i think its a matter of preference, i myself prefer seeing/doing big shit > tech. i cant barspin/nose manual/whip but i'll send it down a 10 stair hand rail and my friends give me props for that. i know a kid 10 years younger than me who can nose manual and barspin and i'd give him props for doing a technical line on a 2 feet tall ledge. its all just preference.

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4/26/2014 6:39 PM

Hold up Hold up.... since when does going big mean your stupid? I think the biggest I've gone is an 8 or 9 setter.... not really big compared to pros or whatever have you but I'm happy.

I think we're all missing the point here. "All it is, is balls and no brains"??? I'm sorry but going big isn't Balls and no brains.... going big takes skill. You want to know how I know? Because if going big didn't take skill all the little kids would be doing it. People who try to go big thinking it's all balls and no brains are wrong.... in my opinion of course. Anybody can launch themselves off "big things".... it takes skill to go big with style. Maybe do a little moto whip and not just "float" down the stair set.
As far as it being easier to get injure going big.... to a certain extent I would say that's true, but not completely. You can break a bone from a 3foot fall, you just have to fall wrong. Whereas on the other hand you see people like Sean burns faceplant a 10foot drop and come out with a few bruises. Falling has to do with how you fall. Look at all the broken bone videos on youtube 8 out of 10 times the person breaking a bone falls in an odd way which causes him or her to break a bone.

So NO going big doesn't mean your good, neither does Technical lines. I can learn how to 180 back slide grind tailwhip etc. etc. a 2 foot ledge all day, doesn't mean I'm good. On the other hand you can learn to jump an 8 setter all day.... doesn't mean your good either. Since when is Bmx about being good?

4/27/2014 9:43 AM

That's how I ride? I can't barspin or do anything tech but I ride smooth and I'll 3 off anything. It's peoples styles, quit being butthurt.

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4/27/2014 9:45 AM

howlerfbm wrote: Mike Hoder. That should answer this question.

This.

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4/27/2014 2:18 PM

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4/27/2014 2:26 PM

Effting wrote: Just when I thought Vital Forums were turning around and I would start posting more.

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4/27/2014 2:52 PM

i think him being able to blast stuff would make him better because you can learn how to do the feeble barspin 180 or whatever but you cant really learn to have balls.....

4/27/2014 3:00 PM

Brayden_Buckingham wrote: For the people with good replies thanks...as I stated , of course people will give me shit for things I mentioned.

For 1 , let me re-state , I couldn't give a FUCK how good I am or how other riders are. I should have reworded stuff. In fact I was chilling yesterday after this post with a guy who did a half cab down a 3 set into a bank ,hop over crankarm a flat rail to manual to whip into another bank , finishing with a flyout bar. Did I care he just destroyed the park and wasn't a local or a known friend? No. It was good chilling. I was having fun with my little manual to nollie line , just as much as he was doing his crazy shit. Which , can relate to my friend.


I think Sunday summarized what I mean pretty well. Yes , I know styles are different , I just meant , does going big mean you're good?

I have plenty of fun , and ride with 10+ year experienced riders to kids who can't even 180. So I don't really care about skill. It was just a vast comparssion.

Sounds like someone is upset their thread backfired.

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4/27/2014 3:08 PM

bmx isn't about being better than everyone else. It's about doin your own thing and having fun in the process.

4/27/2014 3:49 PM

I personally like going big better, and watching people go big better. I love trails, so big, high and steezy are what I like. But even with street I would rather watch Sean Burns over Ben Lewis or Kenny Horton over Stevie Churchill or Mike Hoder over Chad Kerley. Just way cooler for me to watch. That said, I do love raw street riding, stuff like Butcher, old stuff from Joe Rich, Jimmy LeVan (even though he's more a big hits guy) and Mark Gralla. The only exception I can think of to this is Tate Roskelly. He kills it.

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4/27/2014 4:02 PM
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The only person you can ever really be better than in bmx is yourself.

This shit we do isn't some points based sport with winners and losers, unless you wanna compete then that's a whole other thing but for the majority of us our limits "physical & mental" are they only things we can really compete against.

Who's better is completely subjective, its like saying which is pizza topping is the best.

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4/27/2014 4:39 PM

howlerfbm wrote: Mike Hoder. That should answer this question.

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4/27/2014 4:40 PM

Effting wrote: Just when I thought Vital Forums were turning around and I would start posting more.

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4/27/2014 5:09 PM

Effting wrote: Just when I thought Vital Forums were turning around and I would start posting more.

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