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5/22/2014 11:22 AM

Does anyone think john hicks filming is a little overated or is it just me? Note the word "little" I'm not saying it's serious or calling him out just he's always cutting off something like a shoulder/head/ground and just wanna know if I'm the only one bothered by it, a couple clips is cool cause some spots do that but a lot just kind of gets too much for me.

Anyone else who films that always tries to avoid this and even goes back to get it fixed?

Obviously these two epic videos are what I'm talking about



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5/23/2014 4:00 AM

I think John is a solid filmer and has a sharp eye. Always been a big fan of his work. Filming lines is hard, especially when you're filming a rider like Stevie who is throwing down some of the most ridiculous shit that probably took him a lot of tries to get right.

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5/23/2014 6:59 AM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

I think John is a solid filmer and has a sharp eye. Always been a big fan of his work. Filming lines is hard, especially when you're filming a rider like Stevie who is throwing down some of the most ridiculous shit that probably took him a lot of tries to get right.

Of course but actually that ones better filmed than the begin one in my opinion

But also does it not bother you a tad that its a lot more than a little?

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5/23/2014 7:01 AM

I'm honestly not overly bothered, if i can clearly see what is going down then I'm not too bothered. If you're filming two foot high ledges, you have to get seriously low to get everything in. so I'm not surprised a few clips had a head chop. As long as the video flows well and had a good feel I'd rewatch.

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5/23/2014 7:09 AM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

I'm honestly not overly bothered, if i can clearly see what is going down then I'm not too bothered. If you're filming two foot high ledges, you have to get seriously low to get everything in. so I'm not surprised a few clips had a head chop. As long as the video flows well and had a good feel I'd rewatch.

I feel you I guess its just a group thing I was always called out when I chopped off a head or coping or gap and the guys in front of the camera went back to do the trick again so I filmed it right

Still love the edits though

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5/23/2014 10:04 AM

Yeah, I guess in the age of web videos being so frequent, most people aren't bothered. People are happy to watch a 15 second instagram video of resi riding. Now that is lame!


If it were a DVD I'd expect everything to be 100% on point, but for a web video. I don't care so much.

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5/25/2014 12:20 AM
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I'm not a filmer, much less a serious one, but I see what you're pointing out. But I didn't notice it until you brought it up. I think certain tricks/lines look better zoomed on the bike and some better with a wider perspective. Sometimes I'll come across a techy clip in an edit where I wish I could get a better view of the bike and everything that's going on in that moment. And vice versa.

In short, there's no proper way of doing anything when it comes to art. Filming an edit is an art form. A filmer is an artist; he can display his work in the way that best captures what he sees in his mind. Altogether, the style of riding, the music flow, clip length, angles... imo it fit pretty well in Begin's edit. Minor shit like cut off head/shoulder/ground etc doesn't really reduce from the total package.

You can't satisfy everyone. Cool that you're passionate enough to critique his work though. Keep doing what you love.

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5/25/2014 8:34 AM

BMXism wrote:

I'm not a filmer, much less a serious one, but I see what you're pointing out. But I didn't notice it until you brought it up. I think certain tricks/lines look better zoomed on the bike and some better with a wider perspective. Sometimes I'll come across a techy clip in an edit where I wish I could get a better view of the bike and everything that's going on in that moment. And vice versa.

In short, there's no proper way of doing anything when it comes to art. Filming an edit is an art form. A filmer is an artist; he can display his work in the way that best captures what he sees in his mind. Altogether, the style of riding, the music flow, clip length, angles... imo it fit pretty well in Begin's edit. Minor shit like cut off head/shoulder/ground etc doesn't really reduce from the total package.

You can't satisfy everyone. Cool that you're passionate enough to critique his work though. Keep doing what you love.

I actually get what you're saying about the close on the bike it's self part and it being art, it's common in high production edits(days in a life/introducing 'x' person/etc.) but honestly I mean it's like if your filmed you know when it's intended or not and most all that really feels like it wasn't intended.
It looks more like when your camera's zoomed in and you don't it or you don't know the depth/width of your new setup(new fish//camera/more or less spacers) so your filming at the old able instead of figuring out which new angle will look like your usual filming.
But true can't satisfy everyone I'll just tell him all this when I bump into him again gotta get a bike first

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5/25/2014 12:16 PM

I think a lot of whats going on in these edits, is that these tricks / lines didn't come as easy as you might think they did, and some sort of compromise has taken place between the filmer and rider, as when to call something good enough.

Overall tho I think the riding / filming / editing were on point and captured that raw aspect of street riding that makes it interesting.

Go watch the chris finnigan flybikes vid if you wanna see perfect filming, but I think OSS did what they set out to do, by documenting what these 2 dudes were doing and wanted to do while staying out in LA.

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5/25/2014 10:11 PM

I thought a few of the clips were cut a tad short but it didn't kill the edits for me, and the chopped heads are bound to happen from time to time. Hicks kills it with photos and video IMO.

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5/25/2014 10:52 PM

You guys ARENT getting it john hicks IS good at filming and some cuts ARE bound to happen but in these two edits it happened A LOT stop saying the same things you aren't calling john hicks out but it can't be me and souldwhatever the editing was not on point with the begin one for sure I know for a fact I'm not the only one who thinks that but the filming is more what I made this thread about

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5/27/2014 12:40 PM

I'm no expert with filming but i did notice when I watched those for the first time. And yes he is good at filming, but the cutoffs still bother me.

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5/27/2014 1:01 PM

The cut-offs are caused by a smooth-cam filter that John uses quite a bit. It makes everything buttery smooth by zooming in a tad and digitally stabilizing the footage. I also use it at times, but not usually with fish as it can often result in cut off heads.

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5/28/2014 11:37 AM

zachkrejmas wrote:

The cut-offs are caused by a smooth-cam filter that John uses quite a bit. It makes everything buttery smooth by zooming in a tad and digitally stabilizing the footage. I also use it at times, but not usually with fish as it can often result in cut off heads.

Makes sense never heard of it though, just thought he was using a small fish with a step down adapter or something

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