With a wishbone, the chainstays are a couple inches shorter than they are on a double bend. Plus, you have a huge, ovalized tube connected to the bottom bracket, with the stays having significant weld contact with that tube. It's a much stiffer, stronger ... more »

7075 is definitely the superior choice for hub shells, even though I might call it overkill. Properly designed spoke seats and flanges will make the material irrelevant, and the stronger aluminum will make the flanges pretty much indestructible while ... more »

I am on team wishbone. It looks like a normal double bend stay, but it's structurally closer to a wishbone. The stays are connected a couple inches back from the BB to a piece of metal that then connects to the BB. But the traditional wishbone is still ... more »

This is a solution in search of a problem. A traditional wishbone is cheaper, easier to manufacture, and most likely a good amount more durable. The welds on the chainstays of this frame end up right where you tend to hit your chainstay when you miss ... more »

When I hit 5k, I got the Tree/G-Sport wheelset so this must be a newer limit (I hit 5k like 3-4 years ago I think).

I always thought it was just a clean looking frame with comfortable geo and a clever offset seat tube. Just looked super nice, especially in that mint. Was just low enough to look good with a slammed seat without looking like a scooter.

I'm glad the whole "I ride brakeless because it makes me ride faster" nonsense has dropped off. Every single person that ever said that rides slow af.

I always argue that top loads are more "efficient" because you can run smaller bars at the same height as bigger bars with a front load. Smaller bars are generally stronger, stiffer, and lighter than bigger bars.

I'd be ok with them other than the fact that I'd want to kill myself if one punctured.

This is the sketchiest part. Literally no reason to do this whatsoever.

You don't have to say you're an engineer in every single post, mate, we get it.

Yep, Odyssey/G-Sport's rear hubs tend to be quite overengineered. When everything is working correctly, they're probably the most solid hubs on the market, but if one of the many components has an issue, you end up with a shit ton of struggles like this ... more »

Absolute bullshit. You don't pay someone extra not to fuck the welds up, that's nonsense. S&M's sketchy quality is consistent among all their frames.

Feeding them McDonald's every day would probably be an improvement over most dog foods lmao.

"Yeah I get that it’s titanium" If you did, you wouldn't be asking this question.

You don't get to just make up definitions for words, my friend.

Keep going, this is a tale we will tell our grandchildren.

They saw you post something other than blind Odyssey loyalty here so they're punishing you via this warranty process.