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11/18/2013 8:09 AM

Cracked wtp cream frame...tooth hanger on a grind box

Some guy on here posted this in the review section

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Anyone else seen this happen to a cream frame?

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11/18/2013 8:10 AM

Happened to my friend's CREAM. No footer out of the bowl to snap. Snapped right at the same place.

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11/18/2013 8:10 AM

Ouch. Right at the investment casting. This is why I'm skeptical about IC parts.

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11/18/2013 8:16 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/18/2013 8:17 AM

At least its got a lifetime warrantee. I've got this frame and this was a concern of mine when I first got it.

Mine seems solid, its took some abuse lately too, id still recommend it, but this does sketch me out a little.

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Freestyle is the answer to everything --
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11/18/2013 8:21 AM

Well, to be honest, I was a bit curious about how they were getting a true weld in that area when the casting is at least twice as thick as the DT/ TT. It seems to me that unless the casting is Pre heated to a considerably higher temperature than the tubing, you just wouldn't get full penetration or pooling. At least it broke doing that instead upon landing from a ten foot drop. Ten foot frame break to face plant is one of the things I never want to expirience, haha.

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11/18/2013 8:23 AM

Soulrebelrastaman wrote:

At least its got a lifetime warrantee. I've got this frame and this was a concern of mine when I first got it.

Mine seems ...more

How could it not?! Right after I got my Pitchfork with 990 mounts, I started seeing posts of the dropouts cracked, and I'm not a scrawny 15 yo anymore, lol.

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11/18/2013 8:26 AM

Luckily it was just the down tube tho, usually frames will snap the front end clean off if this happens in that area.

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11/18/2013 8:33 AM

Is it just me, or are most snaps/breaks at the weld regardless of IC or anything else? I've always been told that the weld is the weakest point, so why are people surprised about this?

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11/18/2013 8:42 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/18/2013 8:44 AM

Seen this happen twice now. It still doesn't put me off a C.R.E.A.M HOWEVER.... Word on the Street is that WTP are going to update the C.R.E.A.M Frame & totally drop the I.C connected Parts!! Gunna be a totally standard welded up Frame, same geo & a few new bits & pieces that WTP have been working on. Lower Price, No I.C connections & Supposedly things like I.C Drop Outs, Integrated Tensioners, IC Clamp, All the Funky stuff WTP offer on other Frames too. I'm wondering if it will have the Hydroformed stuff?? wassat

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11/18/2013 8:43 AM

Fondue wrote:

Is it just me, or are most snaps/breaks at the weld regardless of IC or anything else? I've always been told that the weld is ...more

Because WTP made a huge deal about the CREAM's IC junctions being stronger than normal frames, when really they break just as much.

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11/18/2013 8:46 AM

Topsey wrote:

Seen this happen twice now. It still doesn't put me off a C.R.E.A.M HOWEVER.... Word on the Street is that WTP are going to ...more

The new stuff is on dans already

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11/18/2013 8:49 AM

Fondue wrote:

Is it just me, or are most snaps/breaks at the weld regardless of IC or anything else? I've always been told that the weld is ...more

You're right about that one. But I was always told that if a weld is done properly, the weld will be stronger than the tubing around it.
On a related note, if the weld starts out harder (due to the cooling process and other variables) then as it is flexed and worked, it would also become brittle earlier. And not to sound like a broken record, but post weld heat treating normalizes the entire structure, so you don't end up with hard spots and soft spots.

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11/18/2013 8:50 AM

Just so happened to have my dans mag with me. Photo

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11/18/2013 10:06 AM

Chuck8273 wrote:

Well, to be honest, I was a bit curious about how they were getting a true weld in that area when the casting is at least ...more

they tig weld them together and with tig welding you can change the amps on demand while you are welding so you can get good penetration

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11/18/2013 10:12 AM

jj0996 wrote:

they tig weld them together and with tig welding you can change the amps on demand while you are welding so you can get good ...more

That's what she said (harhar)

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11/20/2013 9:55 AM

Fondue wrote:

Is it just me, or are most snaps/breaks at the weld regardless of IC or anything else? I've always been told that the weld is ...more

Actually right next to the weld it the weakest point. If you look closely at most breaks, it is up against the weld, not down the middle of it.

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11/20/2013 9:56 AM

Xxohioanxx wrote:

Because WTP made a huge deal about the CREAM's IC junctions being stronger than normal frames, when really they break just as ...more

I think they are saying the headtube by itself won't break, it will take the whole investment cast part out.

It's technically not breaking at the DT/HT junction.

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11/20/2013 10:35 AM

I had a feeling those would snap right there

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11/20/2013 4:16 PM

I like the look of that Clash. What's the backend on that? Anyone know? and this is a pain! I really hope that isnt for dropouts too!! Thatd blow! haha They are putting them on like every frame. I hope they get all this sorted out with the new frames. Hydroforming tubing is AWESOME. My one friend has an Amber frame like that and it is really nice, it is super solid.

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