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9/9/2017 1:54 AM

Hi guys,
Here is the global picture (you can laugh that's ok ;-) ):
I'm old (38)
Livin' in Paris France
Wanna buy a BMX.
Why? Because spring, summer and autumn are boring and i have to find something to move my ass.
I've never really been riding BMX. Have been a skater, but serisouly, was a horrible one. I'm actually an avid backcountry freestyle skier.
Means everything about falling, being hurt and having minimum balance is already known.

So (damn, i'm long and boring), I'm 5'7 maybe 5'8 and want a BMX for street. I mean, i'm not planning on throwing backflips and huge tailwhips. I just want a bmx to ride around, manual, go like small 180 or spin some bar, but nothing impressive.

What bike should I get?

- Size?
I've heard pretty much everything from 20 to 21+. I am wondering between 20'5, 20'75 or 21. It seems shorter is easier to start, but it's also gonna be a "ride around" pedaling bike, so I'm afraid too short might be not comfortable. But 21 might be too long to have fun?
But is there any real big difference since i've never ridden any bmx? I mean you can learn driving with a ferrari! NOt ideal, but you can.

- Frame?
I'm like 165lbs, so should i go chromo or given the low level i'm gonna have and keep anyway, HI ten is ok?

- bike?
here are the bikes i can find around me. I'd be annoyed having to throw more than 400 eur (480usd for you US people)
mongoose Legion L100:
http://www.wheelbase.co.uk/mongoose-legion-l100-blk-2017.html

Stereo Bikes AMP:
http://www.esprit-bmx.com/epages/40ku887r.sf/fr_FR/?ObjectPath=/Shops/40ku887r/Products/4067

Mongoose Legion L60:
https://www.probikeshop.fr/bmx-mongoose-legion-l60-20-5-brun-2017/130970.html

Mongoose LEgion L80 (Trimoly)?

(ps: I know people do not like Mongoose, but i actually own a Mongoose Dirt bike I'm pretty happy with to ride in mountains terrain parks)

Thx for your help, sorry for being that long!
(French people like to read themselves!)

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9/9/2017 5:38 AM

Look at this bike here.... full chromoly frame fork and bars, double wall rims front and rear sealed bearings, chomoly cranks....

http://www.easternbikes.com/shovelhead

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I don't crash, I do random gravity checks...

9/9/2017 5:41 AM

thx for the advice, looks like a nice bike. Isn't 20' a lil' small for a 5'7 guy?

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9/9/2017 6:11 AM

The top tube is 20.85" on that bike and the wheels are 20"

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I don't crash, I do random gravity checks...

9/9/2017 7:23 AM

I think the mongoose is actually a pretty nice bike. It's the best out of the ones you listed. It's full chromoly, and it even has 48 spline cranks. Those features, you usually have to pay double that. I'd go for the L100, if I needed a cheap complete. You can always take off the mongoose stickers, and throw on whatever you want. Most completes are actually made in the same place anyway, but they slap different stickers on them, and that's what you end up paying for. Also look into the Hoffman bama, or lady luck. Do a Google search for your question next time. It literally gets asked every single day here, and you will still get the exact same answers. Sometimes that will annoy people... I personally would never buy a new complete, when you can buy a used $1500 custom for around $400, but that's me. For some reason, people still buy new completes. If your set on doing that I'd get the goose.

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9/9/2017 7:35 AM

The only thing though is the Mongoose L100 has a Hi-Ten fork and the Shovelhead I linked above is full Cromoly everything....

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I don't crash, I do random gravity checks...

9/9/2017 8:56 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/9/2017 8:58 AM

I feel like a broken record here but, yeah the eastern shovelhead is your best bet at that money. Yeah the Mongoose Legion L100 would do for you but the shovelhead is a better bike all around. I recently bought that bike & I'm 6', 195#. It's got full chromo everything and sealed hubs, bb, double wall rims, etc. You can't go wrong. It fits be fine & I'm obviously bbigger than you. One thing tho...having never ridden BMX, most likely, the bike will feel small to you (pretty much any BMX will). You'll get used to it. That's just the nature of riding BMX as an adult. Also, know that the seat heights aren't designed as normal bicycle seats (where you sit and pedal across the city). They are really designed as a place to park your ass when your aren't riding & to be out of the way when you are riding street, etc...;

Good luck. Let us know what you decide.

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9/9/2017 9:26 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/9/2017 9:28 AM

The mongoose l100 is full chromoly everything. It's probably just as good as the shovelhead, and it's cheaper. Sometimes specs are wrong, but I'd trust what the mongoose website says over whatever that other site is. I know owning something makes you like it more, but that doesn't always make it better than something with the exact same specs.
http://www.mongoose.com/usa/legion-l100

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9/9/2017 9:36 AM

ggallin422 wrote:

The mongoose l100 is full chromoly everything. It's probably just as good as the shovelhead, and it's cheaper. Sometimes specs are wrong, but I'd trust what the mongoose website says over whatever that other site is. I know owning something makes you like it more, but that doesn't always make it better than something with the exact same specs.
http://www.mongoose.com/usa/legion-l100

Ok yeah nevermind what I said then.... I also trust the Mongoose website way more that what ever that other website was...

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I don't crash, I do random gravity checks...

9/9/2017 10:36 AM

Reads like you want to get into the technical side of BMX. If that is the case look at the Kink Whip and Kink Liberty even if you do not like Kink as a brand, follow one of those bikes as a blueprint to base off of.

20.5- 20.75 is hard for me to say. I am your size and love technical riding. Tho I am used to really short top tubes since I used to ride flatland. I would write, for technical riding your hight for a top tube can be 20 to 20.75. 20.5 is middle ground 20.75 is the top end.of the spectrum. I would write, most might go 20.75 but it takes more energy/ effort to ride technical, make sense?

Bottom line is. 20.5 or 20.75 both are good.
Tho I am willing to bet if one had both bikes setup the same and sessioned both every 5 minutes. The person would rather ride the 20.5.

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9/9/2017 1:51 PM

Thx to you guys for the answer.
Regarding the subject, i've done searches on vital and on google and felt like asking the question anyway because most of the threads asked for people being my size are about kids wanting to shred everything.

I mean, I understand people answering "go full chromo" and "size is personal preference" when it's about a kid who plans on making truckdriver backflips... wasn't sure the answers would be the same for a old dude planning on riding as a way to wait for winter without falling into depression! ;-)

takin a look at eastern and kink but they do not seem very popular in european shops! (I'm not a brand guy, I could have a Cheerios sticker on my bike, i really do not care at all)

thx for takin' the time to answer to a question you guys pretty don't care actually and feel like have answered a thousand times!

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9/9/2017 2:01 PM

If you are in Europe look for KHE bikes....

https://www.khebikes.com/en/

And I believe wethepeople are German as well but I may be wrong.

http://wethepeoplebmx.de

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9/9/2017 3:45 PM

For your age, and what you plan on riding, I think 20.75-21" will be more comfortable for you. You might feel a
little cramped on anything under 20.5. I know youll be sitting a lot too, so having the slightly longer top tube is more comfortable for just cruising around.

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9/10/2017 8:44 PM

ggallin422 wrote:

The mongoose l100 is full chromoly everything. It's probably just as good as the shovelhead, and it's cheaper. Sometimes specs are wrong, but I'd trust what the mongoose website says over whatever that other site is. I know owning something makes you like it more, but that doesn't always make it better than something with the exact same specs.
http://www.mongoose.com/usa/legion-l100

HondaCRFRacer wrote:

Ok yeah nevermind what I said then.... I also trust the Mongoose website way more that what ever that other website was...

What are you even saying? Are you or are you not saying that you trust Mongoose over eastern. I can't speak for Mongoose but I CAN speak for the eastern shovelhead. It IS everything that the website says.

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9/10/2017 8:58 PM

ggallin422 wrote:

The mongoose l100 is full chromoly everything. It's probably just as good as the shovelhead, and it's cheaper. Sometimes specs are wrong, but I'd trust what the mongoose website says over whatever that other site is. I know owning something makes you like it more, but that doesn't always make it better than something with the exact same specs.
http://www.mongoose.com/usa/legion-l100

I researched the l100 for quite a while because I wanted a backup bike that I wouldnt mind getting stolen or have a friend ride.

Im sad to say the "Frame" is full chromoly but the dropouts are hi tensile steel...

Im sure they would hold up fine for putzing around but I personally wouldnt trust it for drops.

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9/11/2017 9:50 AM

BcBMX80 wrote:

If you are in Europe look for KHE bikes....

https://www.khebikes.com/en/

And I believe wethepeople are German as well but I may be wrong.

http://wethepeoplebmx.de

I second the We The People thing for sure! They are German.

Being an old guy who is sort of into the same spectrum of tricks, I would still look for a solidly built bike...meaning ful Chromo, sealed everything, double walled rims etc. At east in my world, I only want to pay for something once. The skeletal frame of the bike (frame, bars, forks and wheels) should last a lifetime. Other parts are going to wear out, and that is expected, but your skeleton should last you 10 years.

People will change out skeletal parts sooner than that due to boredom, new technology or desire of a different color or geometry, but if that stuff breaks within the first year of riding then something is wrong.

Going the used route works as GG mentioned, but you have to be lucky enough to live in an area with a decent BMX culture. Here in Central Ohio, I have never found a $1500 bike used for $400. Not even a $500 bike used for $400...It is usually more in the range of :" here is my 6 year old $200 box store junk bmx that I lost interest in, and am now selling for $200. It has been left outside, ridden in mud and dirt and not put away cleaned, and the tires are dry rotted. I stand firm on $200"

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Up The Antix/Up The Punx
1988 Mongoose Caifornian Pro
2015 Surly Krampus

"Running Is dumb" - Dave Lawrence

9/11/2017 10:24 AM

BcBMX80 wrote:

If you are in Europe look for KHE bikes....

https://www.khebikes.com/en/

And I believe wethepeople are German as well but I may be wrong.

http://wethepeoplebmx.de

sXeBMXer wrote:

I second the We The People thing for sure! They are German.

Being an old guy who is sort of into the same spectrum of tricks, I would still look for a solidly built bike...meaning ful Chromo, sealed everything, double walled rims etc. At east in my world, I only want to pay for something once. The skeletal frame of the bike (frame, bars, forks and wheels) should last a lifetime. Other parts are going to wear out, and that is expected, but your skeleton should last you 10 years.

People will change out skeletal parts sooner than that due to boredom, new technology or desire of a different color or geometry, but if that stuff breaks within the first year of riding then something is wrong.

Going the used route works as GG mentioned, but you have to be lucky enough to live in an area with a decent BMX culture. Here in Central Ohio, I have never found a $1500 bike used for $400. Not even a $500 bike used for $400...It is usually more in the range of :" here is my 6 year old $200 box store junk bmx that I lost interest in, and am now selling for $200. It has been left outside, ridden in mud and dirt and not put away cleaned, and the tires are dry rotted. I stand firm on $200"

eBay is a good place to start. I've bought 4 custom completes this year, all with over $1000 worth of parts. Paid between $200-$400 for each of them. I can't pass up a good deal, even though I don't need all these bikes. A couple were parted out and sold. I kept the best stuff for myself, and probably about broke even. Now I have 2 nice bikes. If your willing to do the work, you could basically get a free bike doing it like that.

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9/11/2017 3:53 PM

BcBMX80 wrote:

If you are in Europe look for KHE bikes....

https://www.khebikes.com/en/

And I believe wethepeople are German as well but I may be wrong.

http://wethepeoplebmx.de

sXeBMXer wrote:

I second the We The People thing for sure! They are German.

Being an old guy who is sort of into the same spectrum of tricks, I would still look for a solidly built bike...meaning ful Chromo, sealed everything, double walled rims etc. At east in my world, I only want to pay for something once. The skeletal frame of the bike (frame, bars, forks and wheels) should last a lifetime. Other parts are going to wear out, and that is expected, but your skeleton should last you 10 years.

People will change out skeletal parts sooner than that due to boredom, new technology or desire of a different color or geometry, but if that stuff breaks within the first year of riding then something is wrong.

Going the used route works as GG mentioned, but you have to be lucky enough to live in an area with a decent BMX culture. Here in Central Ohio, I have never found a $1500 bike used for $400. Not even a $500 bike used for $400...It is usually more in the range of :" here is my 6 year old $200 box store junk bmx that I lost interest in, and am now selling for $200. It has been left outside, ridden in mud and dirt and not put away cleaned, and the tires are dry rotted. I stand firm on $200"

ggallin422 wrote:

eBay is a good place to start. I've bought 4 custom completes this year, all with over $1000 worth of parts. Paid between $200-$400 for each of them. I can't pass up a good deal, even though I don't need all these bikes. A couple were parted out and sold. I kept the best stuff for myself, and probably about broke even. Now I have 2 nice bikes. If your willing to do the work, you could basically get a free bike doing it like that.

I forgot about eBay...though I have been "banned" from it now to due excessive baseball/hockey card purchases...I have been told "no more eBay till after the wedding..."

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I've Got sXe!!!
Up The Antix/Up The Punx
1988 Mongoose Caifornian Pro
2015 Surly Krampus

"Running Is dumb" - Dave Lawrence