6FT2 Tall Ride - Frame Size Problem! Please Help!

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8/1/2013 8:55 AM

Hey peeps, first off I'm 6ft2 tall

I currently have a wethepeople trust 2010 frame and forks, everything else is custom,

Heres the frame spec for the wtp trust frame - 21″TT / 13.66″CS / 74.5° HT

I also currently run the cult salvation stem which is 52mm reach and have fit benny L 4 piece bars which are -

8.85 rise
10.5 back sweep
4 degree up sweep
28.5 wide

I'm currently finding it hard to pull up and balance my manuals, I'm thinking of purcashing the bsd wza v3 frame but cannot decide what TT length to get, either the 21.1 or 20.85, I'm swerving to the 20.85 so I can get a little more response in spinning. Also I'm wanting to get this frame for the shorter chain stay (CT) which I've read up will help me pull up and hopefully find my balancing spot easier when I manual.

If anything what I'm asking on my post is could people give me some feedback by telling me what the bsd wza v3 frame is like and also any tips or adjustments I should make? What frame size - chain stay length - etc would you recommend me to get? or any other bits of help you could lend me!

Thanks, Gregg


8/1/2013 9:03 AM

All I know about the frame is I want it haha, but I'm 6ft and wasn't sure either, but if I do get it i'm also probably gonna get the 20.85" and I currently ride a 21" with the same bars as you.


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8/1/2013 9:05 AM

20.85 will be slightly more responsive than the 21.1 but may not be enough to notice. And a shorter chain stay only makes pulling up easier. It will make finding the balance point & staying in the balance point harder. And it has an 11.7 bb height which will only take away from stability. You think staying balanced is hard on the wtp, wait till you get on the wza. It's gonna be way les stable. I'm not saying dont get it, it's a fucking solid frame. But be warned it aint gonna make manuals easier by any means


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8/1/2013 9:08 AM

If you want to balance manuals easier, the WZA is the last frame you want. Look at the something with a slightly longer back end and figure out what you want based on the other geo aspects. Those will make balancing easier. On the Flipside, they'll make pulling up slightly harder, and make spins slightly harder. But in my opinion, the gain from better manual balance is greater than the loss of pop you'll experiance. So here are some good frames with longer rear ends than you have.
75 headtube: Terrible One Hickerson, Skavenger El Blanco Loco, Fly Lago, Feind Morrow,
74.5 Headtube: Terrible One SFA, Deco self titled, Deluxe Sacre Blue, Macniel Duece
74 Headtube: FBM Steadfast, Terrible One Ruben, S&M Credence CCR(74.25 actually), Sunday Rooster
GEt either a 21 or 21.25" toptube.


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8/1/2013 9:12 AM

What tom said. Basically you're going to gain some pop yet lose stability. I would suggest a frame with a higher BB with a similar CS length to what you currently have. In the long run though, you'll get used to what you get and for the most part, only your skills will make you pull tricks better.


8/1/2013 11:04 AM

far be it from me to tell you how to spend your money but...

If you can't manual, you can't manual.

keep practicing and you'll get the balance point.


8/1/2013 11:11 AM

im 5"11, i had the same problem, either too much backward or not enough pull up on manuals. im not really a manual guy most of the time, but i switched to a 21.25 frame (BTM which has a shorter back end), i threw a top load with a longer reach, a couple spacers under it and i use animal big four bars. for me, manuals came way easier and it was way more comfortable. 21.25 with a 55mm reach stem and bars that arent ridiculously huge seems like it would be unresponsive to some, but it felt way better for me. basically super long up front.

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8/1/2013 11:12 AM

Thanks for all the info! Much appreciated, also the biggest thing (for me anyways!) is my budget on buying a new frame, I've found a few that could possibly benefit me:

Cult OS V3 Frame

Federal Washington 2013

Federal Lacey 2013

and possibly Federal Dub Chiller Colab

What do you guys think? I'm more than likely swerving to the cult os v3 as its got the 11.8 BB height but also a shorter back end, more focusing on more pop and spins, and skill will cover my manuals, also the sale price is a big win for me but all the other frames are only an extra £20!


8/1/2013 11:16 AM

howlerfbm wrote:

im 5"11, i had the same problem, either too much backward or not enough pull up on manuals. im not really a manual guy most of ...more

Yeah this sounds just like me man! I went from having small bars around 8inch high all the way to perfect 10's for the lols, but yeah I finally found the perfect ones for me being 8.85 and the top load, the front feels perfect as it is for now, for me personally, I just want it to be a bit more easier to lift up but not having to lean back sooo far, shorter back end is a deffo in my situation as I would rather be able to lift the front up easier and the balance point will come to me better than getting the front up at all


8/1/2013 11:27 AM

The washington is your best bet. It will allow your wheel to sit at 13.45 if you're running 25/9. That is a perfect blend and right in the middle. Stable enough for the trails yet tech enough for the streets. It will be poppy yet stable. If you can commit to brakeless then get it.


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8/1/2013 11:32 AM

Gregg666Bmx wrote:

Thanks for all the info! Much appreciated, also the biggest thing (for me anyways!) is my budget on buying a new frame, I've ...more

Go with the Lacey
My friend loved his, and he's also on the taller side.
He had it for about 2 years before it fell off his car rack.
I'd recommend it.


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8/1/2013 11:37 AM

Awesome, looks like I'm onto a winner, thanks so much for all the help everyone, last but not least what top tube size would you recommend? 21" or 20.75"? Shall I possibly go down from 21" to get that bit more of a spin etc?


8/1/2013 11:40 AM

Gregg666Bmx wrote:

Awesome, looks like I'm onto a winner, thanks so much for all the help everyone, last but not least what top tube size would ...more

Do you want your bike to be roomy and comfortable or tech and slightly cramped. 20.75 for tech or 21 for comfortable


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8/1/2013 11:50 AM

Yeah, this is the last choice, chills or skills, for that tho I'm just gonna have to make my mind up myself

To say my situation was hard to work out, I sometimes feel sorry for this dude, I mainly looked at Grants setup seeing as I'm only a few inches off being as tall as him


8/1/2013 12:05 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/1/2013 2:07 PM

im just as tall as you and i run a 21 and i have no problem spinning, im my opinion you will always spin and manual better on a frame that is most comfortable and the geo has little to do with it, im not saying longer tt are better for spinning im just saying if your not comfortable you wont preform so if i were you i would get 21.



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8/1/2013 1:58 PM

Hey man, I see you're in the UK. I had a look on a few of my favourite mail orders & found this!!

Cult Butter Frame..

75 Degree Head Tube Angle
20.9" Top Tube Option
71 Degree Seat Tube Angle
8.5" Stand Over Height
11.8" Bottom Bracket Height
13.55" Chain Stay Length

It has all the mod cons Integrated Headset, Mid BB, A few Invest Cast bits on it. It will suit exactly what you want, Unless you need Brake Mounts? However..... The BEST bit... The Price £199.99!! Thats £100 Off!


1/10/2015 2:27 PM

I am riding a kink issue v2 with a slammed 13.75 rear end my previous frame which was the same as yours mentioned and the extra cs length only being .11 is a shitload difference and made my gap to manuals nearly non existant. I'm extremely good at manuals and can out manual anyone I have ever rode with, at least on flat. However going from 13.66 to a frame you mostly likely be running right around 13" with drivetrain variables would be catastrophic. I'm buying a frame with a 13.25 slammed rear end this spring.