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3/17/2014 9:25 AM

Narrowed down my choices to Odyssey A-Pads in Clear and Koolstop BMXs in Dual Compound (black/salmon.) My rim is raw and I live in an area where I get a decent amount of dust on it. I want whichever one will lock my wheel up best. I dont care if they squeek or not.
I currently have Odyssey 4x4s in clear and they SUCK, but I have also had Koolstop BMXs in purple and they were shit also.
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3/17/2014 9:41 AM

I'd go for the dual compounds i feel like the soft/hard design will work better when the rims are dusty....never had any experience with them though


The A pads i had were really good and worked fine when dusty or wet

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3/17/2014 9:47 AM

I really dont think its the pad you are having problems with. did you toe them in? That plays a HUGE part.

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3/17/2014 10:08 AM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

I really dont think its the pad you are having problems with. did you toe them in? That plays a HUGE part.

Yes I did, infact it made it worse. I had this set up on my previous chrome rim and it worked great, worked perfect on this rim aswell until the paint wore off.

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3/17/2014 10:20 AM

I have odyssey clears, they squeak a little but lock up both my wheels (I have front stoppers too) with a 5 year old Fly brake and a 4 year old Diatech brake, with a little dust, and 2 year old pads (Give or take a little time)

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3/17/2014 10:25 AM

dave lawrence wrote:

I have odyssey clears, they squeak a little but lock up both my wheels (I have front stoppers too) with a 5 year old Fly brake and a 4 year old Diatech brake, with a little dust, and 2 year old pads (Give or take a little time)

A-pads (pictured) or 4x4s?

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3/17/2014 10:29 AM

I run odyssey slim by fours in clear front and back on trip sealed bearing brakes, locks with only the slightest grip even when dirty, water is a different story downhill though haha.

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3/17/2014 10:32 AM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

I really dont think its the pad you are having problems with. did you toe them in? That plays a HUGE part.

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Yes I did, infact it made it worse. I had this set up on my previous chrome rim and it worked great, worked perfect on this rim aswell until the paint wore off.

Man im telling you that almost every clear pad is gonna do the same thing. go through your entire set up once more. Make sure everything pulls perfect make sure they are toed in very slightly(it causes more force because the pad bends.) There is no reason why it would lock my wheel up fine with shitty diatech brakes and crappy oddyssey cables but with a good dual cable set up and oddyssey evos it would be crappy.

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3/17/2014 10:35 AM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

Man im telling you that almost every clear pad is gonna do the same thing. go through your entire set up once more. Make sure everything pulls perfect make sure they are toed in very slightly(it causes more force because the pad bends.) There is no reason why it would lock my wheel up fine with shitty diatech brakes and crappy oddyssey cables but with a good dual cable set up and oddyssey evos it would be crappy.

Everything is dialed. Its definitely my pads.

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3/17/2014 10:39 AM

buy both and try them both then.

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3/17/2014 10:57 AM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

buy both and try them both then.

Im broke lol

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3/17/2014 11:06 AM

well clears are almost automatically work better because they are softer. BUT the clears are oddyssey. soo other than being a TINY bit longer they are the exact same as the slim by fours. and the dual compound arent as soft. they might flex a bit harder giving a better pinch but if the clears aren't grabbing then i dont know how well a harder compound well... Out of these two.. its a toss up... i think they will both perform very similar to any aftermarket pad in clear.


i dont mean to beat the dead horse(or however the fuck the sying goes) but will u post a pic of the brakes with the pads toed in and with the pads all the way against the rim. I really dont mean to be a dick but i still say there is something else wrong.

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3/17/2014 11:24 AM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

well clears are almost automatically work better because they are softer. BUT the clears are oddyssey. soo other than being a TINY bit longer they are the exact same as the slim by fours. and the dual compound arent as soft. they might flex a bit harder giving a better pinch but if the clears aren't grabbing then i dont know how well a harder compound well... Out of these two.. its a toss up... i think they will both perform very similar to any aftermarket pad in clear.


i dont mean to beat the dead horse(or however the fuck the sying goes) but will u post a pic of the brakes with the pads toed in and with the pads all the way against the rim. I really dont mean to be a dick but i still say there is something else wrong.

I toed them first with a dime, no noticeable change
then a nickel, they worked noticeably WORSE
finally a pad spacer (like 2 nickels thick), they didnt work whatsoever. Barely slowed me down.

They work fine and do the job when theyre not toed, but they dont lock the wheel like alot of other people's do. Most of the time when trying fufanus/abubakas I will fall because I start rolling back unexpectedly. This was never a problem with my..
Chrome Odyssey Hazard + Purple Fly Zepatas
Teal Odyssey Hazard + Clear Odyssey Pads
Mint Alienation 7up (brand new) + Clear Odyssey Pads
My lever/cable/gyro set up was exactly the same with all of these and worked like a dream. I am still on the 7up except now it no longer has paint on the sidewalls. It worked perfectly before the paint rubbed off.

I have a feeling its just the material these rims are made of, I believe its alot less grainy than 6061 therefore alot less friction. I tried sanding my rim and it barely helped.

Anyway, youre totally steering off topic here. I have diagnosed the problem, its between my pads and my rim. Everything else is set up like sex and even worked perfectly with different rims/pads. I just want to know which pads have the best chance of fixing the problem.

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3/17/2014 11:31 AM

i already answered the question... hence the off topicness

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3/17/2014 12:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/17/2014 12:06 PM

dave lawrence wrote:

I have odyssey clears, they squeak a little but lock up both my wheels (I have front stoppers too) with a 5 year old Fly brake and a 4 year old Diatech brake, with a little dust, and 2 year old pads (Give or take a little time)

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

A-pads (pictured) or 4x4s?

They look like what was pictured above. The box said slimX4 on it though. I really don't know tongue

I got em a few years ago.

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3/17/2014 12:07 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/17/2014 12:11 PM

Paint is gone from the rim, which might actually be your issue. If you don't care about the look of the sidewall of the rim, hit it with some rubbing alcohol and STEEL WOOL, scrub the rim all the way around, then use more rubbing alcohol and a paper towel to clean it, and clean the pads too.

When I toe my pads, I use a business card folded in half to toe them, NO THICKER.

I'd bet the pads aren't gripping as well because the smooth finish of the paint that likely warmed up faster from friction is gone, so the rim stays cooler and doesn't grip as well.

I never ran my pads on a worn rim, so all I can do is suggest things for you. My rims were chrome, a black rim, and now my red Demo zeros.

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3/17/2014 12:07 PM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

buy both and try them both then.

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Im broke lol

and thats why i dont run brakes lol

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3/17/2014 12:10 PM

dave lawrence wrote:

Paint is gone from the rim, which might actually be your issue. If you don't care about the look of the sidewall of the rim, hit it with some rubbing alcohol and STEEL WOOL, scrub the rim all the way around, then use more rubbing alcohol and a paper towel to clean it, and clean the pads too.

When I toe my pads, I use a business card folded in half to toe them, NO THICKER.

I'd bet the pads aren't gripping as well because the smooth finish of the paint that likely warmed up faster from friction is gone, so the rim stays cooler and doesn't grip as well.

I never ran my pads on a worn rim, so all I can do is suggest things for you. My rims were chrome, a black rim, and now my red Demo zeros.

I hit it with an electric sander to rough up the sidewalls and it didnt help.

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3/17/2014 12:15 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

I hit it with an electric sander to rough up the sidewalls and it didnt help.

Did you clean the rim thoroughly after?

Have you boiled the pads?

Do you have photos of the rim sidewalls anywhere? I am intrigued why it is doing this...

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3/17/2014 12:17 PM

odyssey a-pads work great. windex your rim

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3/17/2014 12:21 PM

dave lawrence wrote:

Did you clean the rim thoroughly after?

Have you boiled the pads?

Do you have photos of the rim sidewalls anywhere? I am intrigued why it is doing this...

Sanded rim, scrubbed with simple green, boiled pads.
Pads are only 2-3months old. They make perfect contact with the rim but just dont stop it. My clear Koolstop Supra 2's were better but not by much.

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3/17/2014 12:26 PM

DeviantBMX123 wrote:

buy both and try them both then.

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Im broke lol

T-rider wrote:

and thats why i dont run brakes lol

this. I have everything i need to set my brakes back up but lost a spring. and now i cant do it. i also want a straight cable vs gyro but i work with what i have lol

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3/17/2014 12:35 PM

Who needs brake pads when you have shoes? I'm 13 and I've only been hit by 4 cars and a bus! #sweg

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3/17/2014 12:39 PM

You said that you have sanded your rims but have you actually cleaned the rim surface? Years ago when I ran bare silver rims my brakes would work fine when the pads and rim were clean. But as soon as they got dirty my braking suffered horribly. Lightly sand your brake pads and use Simple Green or some heavy duty cleaner to wipe down your rim sidewalls. If you get some temporary improvement after this then you will know for certain that the issue is with your rim.

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3/17/2014 1:02 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/17/2014 1:04 PM

Paint the rim again.

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3/17/2014 6:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 3/17/2014 6:11 PM

i'd go with clear pads if you're on a raw rim. i had salmons on a raw rim and that was alright but not great.

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3/17/2014 10:43 PM

Put GUM on your brake pads. That should work.

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3/19/2014 12:56 PM

Went with the dual compounds..
Put them on after vigorously scrubbing my rim with steel wool and some heavy duty cleaner. So far theyre even worse than my clear 4x4s. I did everything I could from lightly sanding them to toeing them and they still wouldn't work. To give you an idea of how bad it is, I can squeeze my lever as hard as possible while pedaling up and down the street with no problems. I guess im going to give them a chance this weekend and then buy some A-pads in clear..

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3/19/2014 2:37 PM

The apads are gonna be almost the exact same as the slim by fours. buy eclat zapatas.

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3/19/2014 2:59 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Went with the dual compounds..
Put them on after vigorously scrubbing my rim with steel wool and some heavy duty cleaner. So far theyre even worse than my clear 4x4s. I did everything I could from lightly sanding them to toeing them and they still wouldn't work. To give you an idea of how bad it is, I can squeeze my lever as hard as possible while pedaling up and down the street with no problems. I guess im going to give them a chance this weekend and then buy some A-pads in clear..

That sucks man!

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