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1/18/2016 12:11 AM

With this new surge if peoplecwanting better for bmx, I got thinking, and got to wondering, what brands really put out for bmx? Video content, jams, sponsored riders, quality and original parts and frames, and that overall support for bmx. I saw a lot of brands do a lot more of this in 2015 than previous years, brands that many people here don't like. So here's my list of brands that I believe really support bmx, in order, and why.

1. Fit/S&M - Sponsors many riders. Supports many jams and contests. Puts out a good stream of media on their youtube channel (fit does). Quality completes for new riders. Many USA made products. Quality, original products.

2. Profile/Deco - Sponsors plenty of riders. Supports lots of jams. Actual products are quality, and all made in USA. Spans into flatland. Nice amount of content put out.

3. FBM - Also does what the top two do, but to a smaller scale. If they hadn't been so influential in bmx, and had such a big word in bmx right now, they'd be down further. But due to their seniority, they're up here.

Ok. After this, placing brands in order was hard, so the order doesn't mean too much after this.

4. Shadow/Subrosa - Here's where people will disagree. They have only recently deserved this spot. Many riders, many parts, lots of content, and lord knows they support all the jams they can. Subrosa also makes great completes for the newbies.

5. Volume/Demolition - Ok amount of riders, quality parts and frames, supports many jams, ok amount if content, but they lack in the completes section. They mainly got this spot for their support of so many jams.

6. Odyssey/Sunday - Most notable thing is their hard goods. They are simply the best. Moving on from that, texas toast and the full factory jams are awesome (R.I.P. toast), they make awesome completes, and a decent amount of rider. And Texas.

7. Animal - Great stuff. Solid parts you can't go wrong with, some of the best tires in the game. They are the core of New York bmx it seems, their video content is amazing, good riders, good for bmx.

8. Colony - If you're into riders that roast trails and concrete bowls/parks, there's a goid chance one of their riders are one of those you like. Ok rider list, good frames and parts, nothing bad, they are probobly the best thing that happened to Aussie bmx, and their content and jam stuff is good. Not to forget, they also support flatland.

9. BSD - Content is insane. Killer riders, and are one of the best out of the UK. Good parts and frames. Supports a good amount of jams and whatnot. Nothing negative associated with them.

10. Standard or Terrible one. Couldn't decide. Don't know much about them. Theyvseem pretty significantvin bmx, giving respect where it should be.


A lot if this stuff is personal opinion. So don't get pissy if you don't agree. I really, REALLY debated on putting cult on there. But ultimately didn't. There's more brands that are worthwhile, these are just the ones I think really deserve the money and respect of bmx riders.

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1/18/2016 12:47 AM

Awww I'm a little sad I don't see Bone Deth and Kink on there, but I respect your opinion man. I do know that Bone Deth is smaller compared to those brands, I'm just biased prolly cause Sean Burns is my number 1 out of all of them. He's not the best, however he is the perfect imperfect with a crazy and humble attitude. Bone Deth's small product lineups are super tough though!

And Kink supports awesome riders too; my favs from them being: Sean Sexton and Darryl Tocco. On January 23rd Kink will be holding a live stream on encore where you can chat live with the Kink team!

...Oh and Standard makes some of the strongest frames in BMX. Think of it like this; you know how Gsport makes some of the strongest rims? Well Standard is like the "Gsport" of Frames tongue

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1/18/2016 3:00 AM

It's a shame standard and T1 aren't as "big" as they used to be. Super good quality stuff, pretty much everyone both companies have ever sponsored have been hugely influential riders. Both have owned ramps/skateparks that they've held regular jams and events. It's just a shame they don't push out the amount of footage as everyone else. Almost like they're intentionally keeping themselves to themselves.
I couldn't disagree with any of your choices really. Fbm would be higher up on my list, mainly because they are a smaller company. They do tons of meet and greats and jams etc.
Cult should be on the list somewhere, it's amazing to see how far the company has come in its time, especially after the whole fit thing.

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1/18/2016 5:52 AM

Really, Odyssey kinda belongs in that top tier. Yeah, they had some suspect times, but they survived. There was a time when the best a company could do as far as helping BMX was to survive.

T1/Standard kinda get their own group. They do things their own way, and BMX is better for having them, but they each have their own niche.

I would say that T1 (Joe himself, actually), gets props for the videos he produces. No one does a trip video as well as Joe, and no one documents their particular lifestyle as well as Joe. I think that counts as "giving back" to BMX.

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1/18/2016 6:55 AM

Fbm is on the top of my list because half the fbm team is local and they do jams in my city. I wouldn't have been to a real jam if it wasn't for fbm. Plus they are such awesome dudes. There is never any pressure to impress them or anything because as long as you have fun riding your bike they are cool with you, that's how it should be everywhere. I wish i had more fbm parts, i'm trying to get the new gypsy this year.

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1/18/2016 7:12 AM

Look the core of an apple it's empty

"Core" is so over rated

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1/18/2016 7:54 AM

Apple's don't have cores

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1/18/2016 8:33 AM
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Colonydirt94 is too core for apples

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1/18/2016 8:57 AM

Another vote for Kink. Real dudes, not cutting corners.
Also for Standard. Wish I could buy a new frame now- would be a 250L. There's one near here in a shop for awhile I've been dreaming of.

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1/18/2016 9:40 AM

Kink, Eclat. Both deserve a spot. This list is misleading in my opinion.

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1/18/2016 10:04 AM

Easternbiker93 wrote:

Kink, Eclat. Both deserve a spot. This list is misleading in my opinion.

Eclat hasn't done that much community wise IMO, Kink definitely has.

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1/18/2016 10:45 AM

bone deth, kink, and fiend

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1/18/2016 10:55 AM

Easternbiker93 wrote:

Kink, Eclat. Both deserve a spot. This list is misleading in my opinion.

420bongblazer wrote:

Eclat hasn't done that much community wise IMO, Kink definitely has.

Fair enough, they do put out some quality parts though, which does do a lot for the community :p

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1/18/2016 10:57 AM

ironmaiden666 wrote:

bone deth, kink, and fiend

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1/18/2016 11:06 AM
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Easternbiker93 wrote:

Kink, Eclat. Both deserve a spot. This list is misleading in my opinion.

420bongblazer wrote:

Eclat hasn't done that much community wise IMO, Kink definitely has.

Was just chillen with the mechanic at transition the other day talking about how eclat is a pain in the ass to deal with for doing things like they're coming out with a new stem that only works with their bars , claiming I will be stronger but all it really is is a ploy to get you to spend more money in their products , by making weird off sized parts that are only compatible with their products , theirs a few company's that have little scams like that, oh so core of them

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1/18/2016 11:27 AM

Eclat needs to be here for . Good parts , team , solid quality in edits , great image .

Fiend is rider owned and do a lot of jams.

S&M and FBM seem to hold it down

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1/18/2016 11:46 AM

Easternbiker93 wrote:

Kink, Eclat. Both deserve a spot. This list is misleading in my opinion.

420bongblazer wrote:

Eclat hasn't done that much community wise IMO, Kink definitely has.

eskimojay wrote:

Was just chillen with the mechanic at transition the other day talking about how eclat is a pain in the ass to deal with for ...more

I haven't bought a part for a few years but I still run their Tibia cranks and Teck cassette and they're deff incredibly strong. I feel like a lot of companies advertise this way. I'm not saying your wrong but they do claim to be strong, and I have to agree, they are.

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1/19/2016 7:37 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/19/2016 7:40 AM

Easternbiker93 wrote:

Kink, Eclat. Both deserve a spot. This list is misleading in my opinion.

420bongblazer wrote:

Eclat hasn't done that much community wise IMO, Kink definitely has.

eskimojay wrote:

Was just chillen with the mechanic at transition the other day talking about how eclat is a pain in the ass to deal with for ...more

If you're referring to our 25.4mm bar/stem, that isn't actually out yet (on Eclat anyway). Only a few brands are offering 25.4mm bars/stem but this is set to grow in the next few years as more riders and brands see the huge benefits. Much like when everyone used to run 10mm axles front and rear, im sure you could accuse Hoffman and other brands for only "offering only 14mm hubs to fit their 14mm dropout frames". You simply cant make a stem that will fit both sizes (we've tried). We still offer and will continue to offer regular 22.2mm bars and stems, we just want to offer a new technology that benefits riders who have problems with their bars slipping or breaking. Its not a trick to get people to only buy our products, to be honest if other brands also offer 25.4mm bars and stems, thats only a good thing for us and the rest of the industry smile

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1/19/2016 9:57 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/19/2016 9:58 AM

420bongblazer wrote:

Eclat hasn't done that much community wise IMO, Kink definitely has.

eskimojay wrote:

Was just chillen with the mechanic at transition the other day talking about how eclat is a pain in the ass to deal with for ...more

eclatbmxparts wrote:

If you're referring to our 25.4mm bar/stem, that isn't actually out yet (on Eclat anyway). Only a few brands are offering ...more

That's awesome that you guys are innovating and introducing something new that might be a little stronger just like Fit did with their 24mm cranks. I guess companies ran out of ways to change handlebar dimensions to make them bigger so you guys took that last step and increased the tubing diameter. It's a nice way to say 'WE MAKE THE BIGGEST BARS!' which might appeal to people who like big stuff.

Originality like this reminds me of 2Hip's Groovetech system or more recently, Fly's tripod seats.

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1/19/2016 10:44 AM

eclatbmxparts wrote:

If you're referring to our 25.4mm bar/stem, that isn't actually out yet (on Eclat anyway). Only a few brands are offering ...more

Really glad you guys take time to respond to threads like these! Great explanation.

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1/19/2016 10:56 AM

Hard to improve things if you stay within the industry standards.

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1/19/2016 11:28 AM

Isn't Eclat based on EU though?

So their presence can't be felt as much as in the US. (?)

DUB seems core though, on the other side of the pond anyway.
Are they even a brand? lol

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1/19/2016 2:54 PM
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SafetyFirst wrote:

That's awesome that you guys are innovating and introducing something new that might be a little stronger just like Fit did ...more

Hoffman actually ALSO did those 25.4/1 inch bars back in the 90's and 00s (like the axles that Eclat referenced). It was considered too much by most people back then (largely due to the weight and technology at the time I think).

I would look at it as more of a resurgence than I would innovation. Nothing against eclat though, as NO OTHER BRANDS are doing it. Kinda like the 24mm cranks, and how suddenly more brands are getting in on it.

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1/19/2016 5:38 PM
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dave lawrence wrote:

Hoffman actually ALSO did those 25.4/1 inch bars back in the 90's and 00s (like the axles that Eclat referenced). It was ...more

Hmm, I never knew that it's been done before - I guess history just repeats itself. I won't be running this bar/stem combo because as you said, it's pretty unnecessary. I compared it 2Hip's Groovetech as an example of something that's nice in theory but has little real world utility. Tripod seats are also a pretty prime example of pushing proprietary hardware on people but since its been adopted by a number of companies, it doesn't really matter how negligible an upgrade it was since it sells.

I just think it's nice for companies to try and go in new directions - even if it's rehashing old ideas I guess haha. Kudos to eclat for giving riders more options.

Also, bigger crank spindles make a bit more sense to me than bigger tubing for bars since they're relatively short and you're not adding much weight to make the part just a bit stronger.

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1/19/2016 5:53 PM

SafetyFirst wrote:

Hmm, I never knew that it's been done before - I guess history just repeats itself. I won't be running this bar/stem combo ...more

I would imagine the bars aren't drastically heavier these days. Back in the day they were UBER heavy. I could see the idea being there for those who muscle their bike so hard the bars slip all the time, regardless, OR those who snap bars a lot. (By a lot I mean more than once a year).

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1/19/2016 6:06 PM

Odyssey should be higher they funded 90% of Texas toast toast on there own.
Brian kachinsky and the bakery deserve a mention(rip) even OSS deserves a mention for jams and the great interviews.

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1/19/2016 6:44 PM

I don't love cult, but for them to not be on this list is total bullshit. They put on by far the most events, they sponsor some of the best riders, their parts are decent and robbie morales actually makes a point of interacting with people at events. He doesn't know who I am but every time I've been to an event he's at (and he goes to alot) he's always been very welcoming, given me stickers or hats or whatever and would take a sec to chat. I can't say anything close to that about other companies.

Maybe I'm biased being in California but most companies mentioned (profile, colony, shadow, fbm, kink, even volume which is based in socal) barely have any presence in the local scenes here. For example look at animal, they're an East coast company but they still do jams in California and have riders come out

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1/19/2016 7:51 PM
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FEDEXdoobie wrote:

I don't love cult, but for them to not be on this list is total bullshit. They put on by far the most events, they sponsor ...more

Notice that the brands you mentioned are pretty much all east coast (Aside from COLONY, an AUSTRALIAN brand) so a lot of the jams you might not be aware of are taking place on the east coast. I follow a few on instagram and it seems about every week or so there is a jam on the east coast, so complaining that you don't hear about those jams is silly.

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1/19/2016 9:32 PM

FEDEXdoobie wrote:

I don't love cult, but for them to not be on this list is total bullshit. They put on by far the most events, they sponsor ...more

I didn't put cult in because:
1. How they came about. Robbie Morales basically did a big "fuck you" to Moeller when Moeller didn't want to do cult, and Robbie proceded to take half of the fit team. While I'm not 100% on this, it's what kinda happened apparently, nit a very goid starting image.
2. Super generic for a long time. Nothing great for a long time. Their frames were all very generic and the same, half if their stuff was rebranded primo crap, and only recently do I believe their product has been good.
3. While yeah, they do plenty of jams, they sure as hell aren't doing it as well as yhe companies a listed. While therevare newer brands like cult up there (colony, bsd, shadow/subrosa) I see them doing more for bmx.

I'm not saying cult doesn't do anything for bmx though, any brand that is putting on jams, sponsoring dudes, and putting out good product is rad. Cult is a brand I like, I just don't think they have done as much for bmx.

This was also only ten brands. Bmx has too many brands going on. Too much radness for a list of ten.

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1/20/2016 1:52 AM

Eclat should be here for replying like a champ all the time

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