Counterbored Stem

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11/21/2013 6:15 PM

Dang, I'm thinking of getting my stem sent to ZodiacEng to get counterbored(ed?). It looks nice and smooth.

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11/21/2013 6:19 PM

it looks flush, but I'd be kinda worried about the clamping afterwards. I'm sure Zodiac takes precautions and stuff, but to me it seems like as you tightened the stem's pinch bolts, it would clamp against the compression cap and not allow it to get really tight. Probably not though, just something to think about

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11/21/2013 6:21 PM

I don't think that would happen, mostly because i've seen it on bikes before.

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11/21/2013 6:21 PM

sundaybmxRR wrote:

it looks flush, but I'd be kinda worried about the clamping afterwards. I'm sure Zodiac takes precautions and stuff, but to me it seems like as you tightened the stem's pinch bolts, it would clamp against the compression cap and not allow it to get really tight. Probably not though, just something to think about

You don't need to run your compression cap super tight. As long as it tightens the bearings without restricting them , it's fine. The stem looks dope btw.

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11/21/2013 6:23 PM

I've seen ZodiacEng cut the stem to slam down the stem farther without touching the headset.

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11/21/2013 6:26 PM

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

You don't need to run your compression cap super tight. As long as it tightens the bearings without restricting them , it's fine. The stem looks dope btw.

Yeah, the stem looks dope.

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11/21/2013 6:26 PM

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

You don't need to run your compression cap super tight. As long as it tightens the bearings without restricting them , it's fine. The stem looks dope btw.

nonono, I'm saying the side bolts. see in the picture how the compression cap's edges are reallllyyy close to the stem, leaving no space in between? when you crank down on the stem's pinch bolts, it's COULD compress against the compression cap. Not saying it IS gonna, just what it looks like to me

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11/21/2013 6:34 PM

I dont understand what I'm looking at tbh

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11/21/2013 6:37 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

I dont understand what I'm looking at tbh

The compression bolt is flush and "sunk."

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11/21/2013 8:41 PM

sundaybmxRR wrote:

it looks flush, but I'd be kinda worried about the clamping afterwards. I'm sure Zodiac takes precautions and stuff, but to me it seems like as you tightened the stem's pinch bolts, it would clamp against the compression cap and not allow it to get really tight. Probably not though, just something to think about

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

You don't need to run your compression cap super tight. As long as it tightens the bearings without restricting them , it's fine. The stem looks dope btw.

sundaybmxRR wrote:

nonono, I'm saying the side bolts. see in the picture how the compression cap's edges are reallllyyy close to the stem, leaving no space in between? when you crank down on the stem's pinch bolts, it's COULD compress against the compression cap. Not saying it IS gonna, just what it looks like to me

Ohhhh ok. That wording makes it better.

I can see your point but that would probaly never happen. It probaly doesn't clamp down all the way , in case of the situation you mentioned.

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11/21/2013 8:45 PM

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

Ohhhh ok. That wording makes it better.

I can see your point but that would probaly never happen. It probaly doesn't clamp down all the way , in case of the situation you mentioned.

haha I know, you'd have to crank the fuck out of those bolts for it to do that

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11/21/2013 8:46 PM

sundaybmxRR wrote:

nonono, I'm saying the side bolts. see in the picture how the compression cap's edges are reallllyyy close to the stem, leaving no space in between? when you crank down on the stem's pinch bolts, it's COULD compress against the compression cap. Not saying it IS gonna, just what it looks like to me

I had a TDFL with the Odyssey top cap flush, and didn't have any problems. Although I still prefer the traditional setup just for peace of mind, I have the same concern as you haha.

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11/21/2013 8:57 PM

sundaybmxRR wrote:

it looks flush, but I'd be kinda worried about the clamping afterwards. I'm sure Zodiac takes precautions and stuff, but to me it seems like as you tightened the stem's pinch bolts, it would clamp against the compression cap and not allow it to get really tight. Probably not though, just something to think about

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

You don't need to run your compression cap super tight. As long as it tightens the bearings without restricting them , it's fine. The stem looks dope btw.

sundaybmxRR wrote:

nonono, I'm saying the side bolts. see in the picture how the compression cap's edges are reallllyyy close to the stem, leaving no space in between? when you crank down on the stem's pinch bolts, it's COULD compress against the compression cap. Not saying it IS gonna, just what it looks like to me

"I tighten the stem down on my fixture and machine it after its all clamped tight. The compression cap sits in without force and is removed just as easy. The depth is minimal and surface contact on the steerer is nearly unchanged."

Direct quote from ken at zodiac.

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11/21/2013 9:06 PM

Brokenbmx wrote:

"I tighten the stem down on my fixture and machine it after its all clamped tight. The compression cap sits in without force and is removed just as easy. The depth is minimal and surface contact on the steerer is nearly unchanged."

Direct quote from ken at zodiac.

ahhh thanks for clearing that up!

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11/21/2013 10:05 PM

sundaybmxRR wrote:

nonono, I'm saying the side bolts. see in the picture how the compression cap's edges are reallllyyy close to the stem, leaving no space in between? when you crank down on the stem's pinch bolts, it's COULD compress against the compression cap. Not saying it IS gonna, just what it looks like to me

Brokenbmx wrote:

"I tighten the stem down on my fixture and machine it after its all clamped tight. The compression cap sits in without force and is removed just as easy. The depth is minimal and surface contact on the steerer is nearly unchanged."

Direct quote from ken at zodiac.

sundaybmxRR wrote:

ahhh thanks for clearing that up!

No problem homie!

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11/22/2013 4:08 AM

So basically just making your top cap sit flush, like a lot of stems already do anyway? Lol. Sounds like a waste of money.

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11/22/2013 5:55 AM

hmmm... why is nobody talking about the fact that the top plate is IN the stem! That is cool! If i ran brakes id be on that in a minute!

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11/22/2013 7:26 AM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

So basically just making your top cap sit flush, like a lot of stems already do anyway? Lol. Sounds like a waste of money.

Zodiac has been doing it way before companys offered counterbored stems. it also makes senses if like me you love your stem(challenger) and it inst counterbourd.

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11/22/2013 4:03 PM

You could get it done at a local machine shop too and save money on shipping...

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11/22/2013 4:24 PM

Collin_McClenahan wrote:

You could get it done at a local machine shop too and save money on shipping...

Zodiac is a professional and knows more, it looks better also.

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11/22/2013 4:39 PM

Garnished wrote:

Zodiac is a professional and knows more, it looks better also.

I could do this in my garage, given I had the correct sized bit (pretty large, around 1 1/4). Just because he's a professional doesn't really mean crap in this
situation honestly. It doesn't take a genius to line up a drill bit just right and keep drilling and checking until it finally sits flush. And how can it look better when its exactly what this guy does any way? And if you bring up the cap being flat, I can take my cap and grind it until its flat and looks the same. I think its stupid to ship my stem and pay someone to do something that
A. The average man can do in his garage
B. Doesnt effect quality at all.
I personally wouldn't give up my stem for a few weeks just to make my bike look better.

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11/23/2013 12:11 AM

Collin_McClenahan wrote:

You could get it done at a local machine shop too and save money on shipping...

Garnished wrote:

Zodiac is a professional and knows more, it looks better also.

I could quite easily do this.

Zodiac do some really good stuff though.

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11/23/2013 6:25 AM

Collin_McClenahan wrote:

You could get it done at a local machine shop too and save money on shipping...

Garnished wrote:

Zodiac is a professional and knows more, it looks better also.

1. Machine shops have professional machinists. It's not like they just hire random people off the streets to work their machines.

2. How do you know it'll look better if Zodiac does it? You haven't even seen one done by a local machine shop. Quit talking out your ass.

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11/23/2013 6:32 AM

Here's the part where soneone brings up "help the market". Nigga I ain't helpin the market if it means draining my wallet.

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11/23/2013 8:58 AM

Collin_McClenahan wrote:

You could get it done at a local machine shop too and save money on shipping...

I was quoted by a local machine shop( one that makes DJ frames, sprockets and stems.) He wanted way more then ken at zodiac quoted me.

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11/23/2013 11:42 AM

Collin_McClenahan wrote:

You could get it done at a local machine shop too and save money on shipping...

Brokenbmx wrote:

I was quoted by a local machine shop( one that makes DJ frames, sprockets and stems.) He wanted way more then ken at zodiac quoted me.

Ok then. I'm just saying there's a fairly good chance a local shop could do it cheap. Maybe not, obviously not in your case

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11/23/2013 12:39 PM

The top can doesn't do anything for me really, but the gyro tabs are nice would rather run that than a plate all day.

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