Cranks became very stiff after replacing driver (driver spins perfect though..)

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1/19/2017 8:34 PM

So I just replaced my hub's driver and I babied it, I mean I always do a good job of de- and re-greasing everything but this driver was a PITA to find (LHD 10t for older ODY driver, had to get help from odyssey who were FANTASTIC in helping me), I greased the inside of the hub (everything with lithium grease) and then wiped it as best I could, I greased the pawls&clip&inside faces and wiped them as best I could, I put all the retention nuts back on and found their proper tightnesses - I then backed-off the nuts a minutiae of a turn as I always do as tightening the dropouts usually pinches them in the slightest bit I find) Anyways I can lift the back wheel from the ground and if I spin it forward with my hand it goes incredibly smooth and spins a while; if I spin it backward, *it does not* even try to pull the pedals backward; my chain is not remotely tight, I left it on the loose side since it was a new driver, and I mean loose; yet I have a problem, for some reason now my cranks are VERY stiff, both forward and backward! Minimal hand pressure was needed to move them and now they feel like I've got my chain pulled tight or I over-tightened the spindle bolts (I didn't touch any of my sprocket or crank hardware I only removed the rear wheel, swapped the driver, put it back in a bit on the loose side both the compression nuts and the chain, yet now I've got stiff cranks and I can only imagine it's because the driver isn't spinning as free as it should but I just cannot see or imagine what interface would be causing this as it's all fresh and greased!

Any help, guesses or wild speculation would be great here!! Maybe there's a 'break-in period with new drivers put into older hubs? I mean, this hub has seen better days lol!!

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1/19/2017 8:59 PM

Does your driver have the orange/red rubber O ring on it still ? I know when I had odyssey hubs the driver would lock up or become tighter because of the O ring gripping the hub shell, removing it fixed the problem, I don't know if this is the same in your case but worth a shot. Just remember if you do this to regularly clean the driver as the O ring will be missing so dirt can enter the hub/ratchet easier.

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1/20/2017 8:13 AM

Cellmember wrote:

Does your driver have the orange/red rubber O ring on it still ? I know when I had odyssey hubs the driver would lock up or become tighter because of the O ring gripping the hub shell, removing it fixed the problem, I don't know if this is the same in your case but worth a shot. Just remember if you do this to regularly clean the driver as the O ring will be missing so dirt can enter the hub/ratchet easier.

the one that goes around the outer-most edge of the driver, sealing it against the outer-most ring of of the outside of the hub-body? I had a black (seemed more plastic than rubber) thin washer/gasket there, honestly I don't even recall seeing it yesterday when installing this but a lot of times it kind of sticks into the little groove that runs along that outermost edge - I'll see if it's there but I don't think that's it (will check though because this is driving me nuts and I need to be sure before crossing any potential suspects off my list!) because the wheel itself spins so damn freely (in both directions and whether spun by hand or with the pedal), it's like my chain's too tight or my crank's spindle bolts were put too-tight (but neither of those are the case!)

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1/20/2017 8:33 AM
Edited Date/Time: 1/20/2017 8:34 AM

Make sure pawls are facing the right way? Are you totally sure it LHD? Idk man that sucks. Take it apart, and try again. Make sure the pawls are catching properly. I put my pawls back in backwards one time. It was bad.

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1/20/2017 9:26 AM

ggallin422 wrote:

Make sure pawls are facing the right way? Are you totally sure it LHD? Idk man that sucks. Take it apart, and try again. Make sure the pawls are catching properly. I put my pawls back in backwards one time. It was bad.

I know I'm long-winded when I write so I'm guessing you didn't read my whole post but yeah it's a LHD driver lol, the pawls are catching beautifully (in fact I'm f'ing in love with the noise of them, mmmm fresh pawls bangin that hub w/ minimal grease to slow their snapping!)

That's funny re the pawls (though I'm sure a PITA for you as putting pawls in is probably one of my least favorite things on a bike lol) but my pawls were already installed, like I was installing a built, brand-new 10t driver (that literally says 'odyssey' and 'LHD' on the hub itself) and, with the inordinate amount of time spent on this LHD conversion, I know the look of that driver w/o even having to look at it I could draw an accurate picture lol ;P, but in addition to all that it rides beautifully, in fact when riding you don't even notice the stiffness of the cranks because you're using your legs, it's just something that I can tell when moving them by hand.

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1/20/2017 1:21 PM

I'm betting there's something missing, a spacer or something. So when you spin your wheel freely, it spins. But when you put pressure on it by cranking, something is moving causing friction. Make sure everything fits snug, is tightened properly and there's no room for anything to move. Double check all the spacers and bearings etc.

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1/20/2017 5:13 PM

It was the compression nut, for some reason it was moving when I tightened the wheel in....left it ~1/16th turn looser before re-tightening the axle nuts and all was well, am in love with this new driver I've ridden 2nd-hand drivers and wheels for so long I forgot how crisp the clicking is, feels great riding it (I changed my rear-end length as well while I had it off, by removing an outer&inner link from my KMC and replacing it with one of their half-link pieces, had to build the chain in-place it barely fits when cranks are in their 'ti///ght spot' but think it's fine ;p, have been waiting months for this chain to stretch enough to be able to use its half-link am so stoked!! The total reduction in CS was just shy of 0.25" (this is on my new frame that's half an inch shorter at 20.5" so I've reduced my wheelbase .75" in the past month it is insane how squirrelly it's become!!)

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1/21/2017 12:50 AM

adfkje wrote:

the one that goes around the outer-most edge of the driver, sealing it against the outer-most ring of of the outside of the hub-body? I had a black (seemed more plastic than rubber) thin washer/gasket there, honestly I don't even recall seeing it yesterday when installing this but a lot of times it kind of sticks into the little groove that runs along that outermost edge - I'll see if it's there but I don't think that's it (will check though because this is driving me nuts and I need to be sure before crossing any potential suspects off my list!) because the wheel itself spins so damn freely (in both directions and whether spun by hand or with the pedal), it's like my chain's too tight or my crank's spindle bolts were put too-tight (but neither of those are the case!)

Yes the rubber on the edge of the driver, it may not be the problem but it's worth a look at. Another thing to check would be to make sure the spacer for the BB bearings is installed and if it is, check it to see if it is the correct length depending on BB size, there are 3 sizes currently. Let us know how it goes.

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1/21/2017 12:53 AM

adfkje wrote:

It was the compression nut, for some reason it was moving when I tightened the wheel in....left it ~1/16th turn looser before re-tightening the axle nuts and all was well, am in love with this new driver I've ridden 2nd-hand drivers and wheels for so long I forgot how crisp the clicking is, feels great riding it (I changed my rear-end length as well while I had it off, by removing an outer&inner link from my KMC and replacing it with one of their half-link pieces, had to build the chain in-place it barely fits when cranks are in their 'ti///ght spot' but think it's fine ;p, have been waiting months for this chain to stretch enough to be able to use its half-link am so stoked!! The total reduction in CS was just shy of 0.25" (this is on my new frame that's half an inch shorter at 20.5" so I've reduced my wheelbase .75" in the past month it is insane how squirrelly it's become!!)

Ahh slippery bastard tongue, chuck some loctite on that bad boy and it should fix that problem. Awesome, short rear ends are so good, I'm on 12.75" and that's coming from 14 - 13.75 .5 .25 etc etc... I don't think I'd ever go back to longer.

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