Did I get ripped off? Should I return the bike?

Ride it till it breaks then replace it

eskimojay wrote:

Ride it till it breaks then replace it

eskimojay wrote:

Ride it till it breaks then replace it

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Well, obviously I will replace any part after it brakes (which I'm not sure will happen anyway as I'm just begging to ride and don't know how hard I'll ride it), but it's kind of irrelevant.

I'm flippin' here about this, and don't know what to do.

Did you buy it at the bike shop or did they ship it to you online ?

I bought it at a bike shop.

oldkid wrote:

I bought it at a bike shop.

oldkid wrote:

I bought it at a bike shop.

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go in and talk with the manager and ask where the tire is. lol the wheel is just as good as the other so you may as well get the proper tire because that's not a good deal. Unless they knocked some money off the top its not good.

oldkid wrote:

I bought it at a bike shop.

oldkid wrote:

I bought it at a bike shop.

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MaximusBikes wrote:

go in and talk with the manager and ask where the tire is. lol the wheel is just as good as the other so you may as well get ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

go in and talk with the manager and ask where the tire is. lol the wheel is just as good as the other so you may as well get the proper tire because that's not a good deal. Unless they knocked some money off the top its not good.

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So you are saying "Premium Samasra = Alienation 36H Deviant DW" ?
and that 2.4 premium ck tire is much better than 2.4 premium (no ck) tire ?

I'm not really sure if the front tire should be ck or not.

They did not knock money off for that. They even mentioned them replacing the tire for me as an argument for not giving me the full price knock off I was asking for - but that was just a negotiation tactic. hehe.

how much did you pay? perhaps you could get something newer. If youre not happy return it and buy from a place that makes you feel comfortable and your business is an honor to them.

The Horror Contact wrote:

how much did you pay? perhaps you could get something newer. If youre not happy return it and buy from a place that makes you ...more

The Horror Contact wrote:

how much did you pay? perhaps you could get something newer. If youre not happy return it and buy from a place that makes you feel comfortable and your business is an honor to them.

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I paid $820, which I just now realize was exactly the MSRP in USA, but in Israel everything costs more.
The official price they were asking was $925, but the discount they gave me was not related to the wheel or tire.

I'm really not sure how I feel about it. I feel kinda ripped off, not getting what I was paying for, but maybe I'm just exaggerating?

You should get what you asked for! So go back in the shop and tell them you want what you thought you were buying, it ain't on mate.

By googling for pictures of this model I think I found a few pictures of this bike with a Premium Samasra front wheel (and other pictures with the Alienation Deviant of course).
What gives?! Can it be that in some countries it was sold with one wheel and in others with another one? Or maybe they sold it like this for a period of time and with the other wheel for another period?

The 1.95 tire that they replaced for me is another thing though. I feel that something is fishy about this.

I've also googled for pictures of a premium ck tire, and the pattern of it looks like the one I have now (after they replaced it) but on my (2.0) ck back tire it says CK, and on the (2.4) front one it doesn't. I'm not sure if it means that the front one is not ck. I'm not even sure if premium even has a tire that is not ck.

They're the same wheel with different colors and labels.

biggybuggy wrote:

They're the same wheel with different colors and labels.

biggybuggy wrote:

They're the same wheel with different colors and labels.

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I think the Alienation Deviant is lighter than the Premium Samasra.

Take it back to the shop and demand them fill up your tires with helium , seems fair

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your description link also shows it with that wheel as well. As for the tire, there should be some description along the sidewall as to what it is. Post a pic if ya cant sort the brand out

biggybuggy wrote:

They're the same wheel with different colors and labels.

biggybuggy wrote:

They're the same wheel with different colors and labels.

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oldkid wrote:

I think the Alienation Deviant is lighter than the Premium Samasra.

oldkid wrote:

I think the Alienation Deviant is lighter than the Premium Samasra.

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The Samsara is not the same as the Alienation Deviant, and lighter does not equal better.

The Samsara I think has a welded seam instead of a pinned seam like the Deviant rim has, and should actually be stronger, assuming it is the Samsara anyway.

I'd still go back and just ask them about it, don't go in and be a dick though. Sometimes stuff like that just happens. I work at a shop and one time Verde bmx bike came to us with a big tear in the front tire's sidewall and they sent us a completely different tire instead of the kind that was on it, so we put it on anyway. Maybe that's the same situation there and not their fault.

eskimojay wrote:

Take it back to the shop and demand them fill up your tires with helium , seems fair

eskimojay wrote:

Take it back to the shop and demand them fill up your tires with helium , seems fair

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^this.

If the bike you paid over $800 for is worth that much to you then keep it. Big deal, it doesn't match photos you randomly pull up online. Those tires definitly won't last anywhere near a year, and if your even the sleightest bit of an agressive rider. You'll be replacing/repairing the wheelset in around a year as well.

News flash, you bought a new bike and you got ripped off. Just like the rest of us who bought a new bike, the piece of crap is gonna break. Just like my my new piece of crap I got ripped off on thats gonna break.

IT'S A MONEY PIT.

Is that a solid frame?

I ride a Premium CK complete . @bbbrayydeenn on Instagram for clips .

First off , Samsara wheels are a lot better then any Alienation ones . If you get a bike with the Samsara hub/rims , instead of Alienation wheels , that is automatically a lot better .

Secondly , the wheels on my CK complete came with Alienation rims . They are fine . I've learned alot on them and besides the fact they aren't the greatest they've not dented or warped since I've had them . And all I do is spin tricks and land like shit. Don't worry about what rims you ride , both will last .

Third , it's a tire. To be honest it really doesn't matter what tire it is because all of them will wear out . They are like a grip . The CK tired are decent but I took them off and sold the pair basically new for 30$ to a kid . Someone probably wanted it at the bike shop so they sold it and switched it out . It's called business . And as mentioned , it's a tire . You could have asked to switch it out before you bought it or brought it up but now since you've ridden it that tire it's worn. You should be happy he did that as most shops wouldn't . The one he have you was probably a Premium ... fuck whats the name ? The slick one ? I forgot . Or the one with the logo in the tread . Who knows . Pretty sure it's a slick one . It'll be fine . It's probably the exact same as the CK without the name and tread to the side . CK was a slick anyways .

Lastly , it's a bike . The rest of the bike is great . I've beaten mine up . You'll be fine . If you're upset about a tire but have a custom wheel set instead of an Alienation one , I'd be super happy . My CK came with Alienation rims. If your SPIRE has Samsara wheels , you one upped my purchase technically . Don't blame the bike shop for what you buy . Do your research first . If you have any questions you can contact me on Facebook and I'll help out but it sounds like you got a fine bike for the price. Let me know what's up.

The Horror Contact wrote:

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your ...more

The Horror Contact wrote:

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your description link also shows it with that wheel as well. As for the tire, there should be some description along the sidewall as to what it is. Post a pic if ya cant sort the brand out

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The description link shows Alienation Deviant. Look at the specs and the photo.

About the tire, as I wrote, the brand is Premium, but there is no CK label, which I'm not sure if it is ok or not.

Photos of the front tire:








Photo of the CK label on left side of the back tire:

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

I ride a Premium CK complete . @bbbrayydeenn on Instagram for clips .

First off , Samsara wheels are a lot better then any ...more

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

I ride a Premium CK complete . @bbbrayydeenn on Instagram for clips .

First off , Samsara wheels are a lot better then any Alienation ones . If you get a bike with the Samsara hub/rims , instead of Alienation wheels , that is automatically a lot better .

Secondly , the wheels on my CK complete came with Alienation rims . They are fine . I've learned alot on them and besides the fact they aren't the greatest they've not dented or warped since I've had them . And all I do is spin tricks and land like shit. Don't worry about what rims you ride , both will last .

Third , it's a tire. To be honest it really doesn't matter what tire it is because all of them will wear out . They are like a grip . The CK tired are decent but I took them off and sold the pair basically new for 30$ to a kid . Someone probably wanted it at the bike shop so they sold it and switched it out . It's called business . And as mentioned , it's a tire . You could have asked to switch it out before you bought it or brought it up but now since you've ridden it that tire it's worn. You should be happy he did that as most shops wouldn't . The one he have you was probably a Premium ... fuck whats the name ? The slick one ? I forgot . Or the one with the logo in the tread . Who knows . Pretty sure it's a slick one . It'll be fine . It's probably the exact same as the CK without the name and tread to the side . CK was a slick anyways .

Lastly , it's a bike . The rest of the bike is great . I've beaten mine up . You'll be fine . If you're upset about a tire but have a custom wheel set instead of an Alienation one , I'd be super happy . My CK came with Alienation rims. If your SPIRE has Samsara wheels , you one upped my purchase technically . Don't blame the bike shop for what you buy . Do your research first . If you have any questions you can contact me on Facebook and I'll help out but it sounds like you got a fine bike for the price. Let me know what's up.

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I did not ride the bike at all.
Just saw it as soon as I was home (I even drove with it home in a car - not on the bike).


By the way, this is not a custom bmx shop or something like this.
This is a shop which only sells Haro and Premium bmx completes (they are their official distributor in Israel), and they don't even know anything about bmx. They mainly sell MTB and other kinds of bikes.
I should not check every part when buying a complete - I should get the original parts.

Your front tire is the exact same as my CK tires . It was probably a defect and didn't go on . it is the exact same . Don't worry about it .

Also , your rims look the exact same as mine , making me thing they are Alienation rims with the Samsara hub like I thought , suggesting to me that your bike was completely stock besides the exception of a front tire that they replaced with the right one and you just for your parts mixed up in the concern you had .

The Horror Contact wrote:

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your ...more

The Horror Contact wrote:

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your description link also shows it with that wheel as well. As for the tire, there should be some description along the sidewall as to what it is. Post a pic if ya cant sort the brand out

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oldkid wrote:

The description link shows Alienation Deviant. Look at the specs and the photo.

About the tire, as I wrote, the brand is ...more

oldkid wrote:

The description link shows Alienation Deviant. Look at the specs and the photo.

About the tire, as I wrote, the brand is Premium, but there is no CK label, which I'm not sure if it is ok or not.

Photos of the front tire:








Photo of the CK label on left side of the back tire:

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Pics show a different rim but in the specs written, there is nothing about it. As for tires, what you have shown matches the picture. they have the CK tread so you got what you wanted...well, you got a better front wheel than what you were expecting but by written specs, you have whats advertised.



Features /Specs /Geometry
100% crmo frame with butted top and down tubes, tapered stays, Mid BB shell, integrated head tube, integrated seat clamp and removable brake and cable mounts
KMC half link chain
Premium Fat Capitol Pivotal seat with Pivotal post
Premium slim plastic pedals with sealed bearings
Premium Sub-10 V2 CNC'd stem
Premium CK tires 2.4" front and 2.0" rear
Premium Samsara wheels, fully sealed with female axles front and rear, double-wall rims and alloy nipples
Premium 1948 175mm bossless cranks with 25t crmo spline drive sprocket
100% crmo bars 8.25" (on 20.5") or 8.5" (on 21")
100% crmo fork with one piece CNC steer tube and tapered legs, CNC alloy pre-load cap
Alloy 990 brake

The Horror Contact wrote:

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your ...more

The Horror Contact wrote:

In all, I think your better with the Samsara wheel ...as it is sold as an aftermarket wheel instead of something stock. Your description link also shows it with that wheel as well. As for the tire, there should be some description along the sidewall as to what it is. Post a pic if ya cant sort the brand out

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oldkid wrote:

The description link shows Alienation Deviant. Look at the specs and the photo.

About the tire, as I wrote, the brand is ...more

oldkid wrote:

The description link shows Alienation Deviant. Look at the specs and the photo.

About the tire, as I wrote, the brand is Premium, but there is no CK label, which I'm not sure if it is ok or not.

Photos of the front tire:








Photo of the CK label on left side of the back tire:

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The Horror Contact wrote:

Pics show a different rim but in the specs written, there is nothing about it. As for tires, what you have shown matches the ...more

The Horror Contact wrote:

Pics show a different rim but in the specs written, there is nothing about it. As for tires, what you have shown matches the picture. they have the CK tread so you got what you wanted...well, you got a better front wheel than what you were expecting but by written specs, you have whats advertised.



Features /Specs /Geometry
100% crmo frame with butted top and down tubes, tapered stays, Mid BB shell, integrated head tube, integrated seat clamp and removable brake and cable mounts
KMC half link chain
Premium Fat Capitol Pivotal seat with Pivotal post
Premium slim plastic pedals with sealed bearings
Premium Sub-10 V2 CNC'd stem
Premium CK tires 2.4" front and 2.0" rear
Premium Samsara wheels, fully sealed with female axles front and rear, double-wall rims and alloy nipples
Premium 1948 175mm bossless cranks with 25t crmo spline drive sprocket
100% crmo bars 8.25" (on 20.5") or 8.5" (on 21")
100% crmo fork with one piece CNC steer tube and tapered legs, CNC alloy pre-load cap
Alloy 990 brake

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Click on specs and see a further description of each wheel:
"WHEELS Alienation 36H Deviant DW Frt/Samsara DW Rear"

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

Your front tire is the exact same as my CK tires . It was probably a defect and didn't go on . it is the exact same . Don't ...more

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

Your front tire is the exact same as my CK tires . It was probably a defect and didn't go on . it is the exact same . Don't worry about it .

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Do you have the CK logo on yours?

About it being Alienation rims - The writing on the rim is not Alienation, it's Samsara.


By the way, they put on a front caliper brake (I think they don't sell their bikes without 2 brakes for safety). Maybe they switched the wheel because of this? Maybe you can't put a caliper brake on a front Alienation Deviant? (I'm reaching here, I know).


You all agree that the Smsara is better than the Alienation Deviant?
I googled it before and I think I saw that the Alienation Deviant was also sold separately, and was lighter and a little more expensive than the Premium Samsara.

So you had an Alienation front rim and Samsara hub and in the BACK you had a Samara rim and a Samsara hub . Simple .

Mine had the exact tread and writing on the sidewall. In all honesty having no CK logo in white will make the bike look cleaner .

I honestly don't get the struggle here , no offence and I understand that feeling when you get a new bike and want it to be mint but real talk you sound like your complaining about having a better front rim just because it isn't "stock" on the bike and that a tire doesn't have a logo . You should be happy you got a bike in the first place . Worrying about parts tarnishes the feeling of it. Have you ever warped a rim ? Crack / dented one ? Have you ever had a tire that had quality issues because a logo wasn't on it ? If not , you shouldn't worry about it and just ride it . A rim is a rim at the end of the day and people will bitch at me but as long as it's a double wall ( "DW" in specs ) you'll be fine . And it's a tire as well . If you took it off and compared it from a birds eye view with the back CK tire , they'd look the exact same. You LITERALLY would not notice the logo . And while you ride your bike , you see the tread not the sidewall. I highly doubt the bike shop mystically invented a fake CK tire JUST to "rip you off" so without further ado that's all I'm saying and fuck this thread .

If I can flyout 360 5ft tall and land flat under rotated and still have my rims and tires be fine , YOU be fine too . Fuck.

I don't understand why you think I have an Alienation front rim when the writing on my front rim is "Premium Samasra".

As for the rest of your reply, I am not bitching about the writing and actually I am not bitching about anything - I didn't know how the Samasra wheel is compared to the Alienation Deviant, and didn't know how my tire is compared to the original tire, so this is why I've opened this thread.
For all I knew, I could have gotten a shit wheel and tire after paying for the best and most expensive (complete) bike I could get here in Israel.

Also, I wan't going to be a dick about it, I just wanted to know if I should just return them and get some other bike (online from abroad) because of it.

I'm not sure if you saw the following thing I wrote before as I added it in an edit, and I still stand by it:
"I did not ride the bike at all.
Just saw it as soon as I was home (I even drove with it home in a car - not on the bike).

By the way, this is not a custom bmx shop or something like this.
This is a shop which only sells Haro and Premium bmx completes (they are their official distributor in Israel), and they don't even know anything about bmx. They mainly sell MTB and other kinds of bikes.
I should not check every part when buying a complete - I should get the original parts."

You might be right about the break thing. I Loosely read this thread but I know that the alienation deviant rim advertises that they are front wheel only and do not have a breaking surface and not to use breaks on them. The premium rim, which is very similar, probably wouldn't work much better for breaking but I'm not sure if they actually advertise against it.

eskimojay wrote:

Ride it till it breaks then replace it

eskimojay wrote:

Ride it till it breaks then replace it

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Best advce EVER... And it was the first response. Fuck, it's fine. Go break it already.

I decided to keep it. Thanks for all of your input.