Eclat Blind Internals

Clutch > Blind

Wouldn't know how to maintain it , KHE is a plague

Xxohioanxx wrote:

Clutch > Blind

Xxohioanxx wrote:

Clutch > Blind

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if the clutch indeed does have a true female i would be inclined to agree with you
but i wont pass judgement until both are at least released or pictures of the clutch internals are released

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks right?

tomdon wrote:

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks ...more

tomdon wrote:

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks right?

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Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont see it as a problem. If people were to maintain their hubs, threaded nuts wouldnt be a problem. I ran my Primo Remix for a good two years and never had an issue with getting the hardware off. I just greased it and maintained it bi-monthly (just like I would do with any other hub.)

Im not biased when it comes to threaded vs. press fit, I wouldn't let it be a factor in which hub I get.

However, that 14mm female axle definitely factors in against the blind.. Going to be a tough decision. Ill probably buy whichever comes out first just since im tired of waiting

tomdon wrote:

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks ...more

tomdon wrote:

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks right?

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HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont ...more

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont see it as a problem. If people were to maintain their hubs, threaded nuts wouldnt be a problem. I ran my Primo Remix for a good two years and never had an issue with getting the hardware off. I just greased it and maintained it bi-monthly (just like I would do with any other hub.)

Im not biased when it comes to threaded vs. press fit, I wouldn't let it be a factor in which hub I get.

However, that 14mm female axle definitely factors in against the blind.. Going to be a tough decision. Ill probably buy whichever comes out first just since im tired of waiting

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You've owned a coaster before right? I was regreasing mine yesterday and everything in it has like a 18-20mm bore. Why has true 14mm not been done yet? Give the driver a bushing and make the races 17mm bore on the bearings. Khe could have done that long ago. Beats the fuck outta me why they didn't. 17mm center like bsd/ody/shadow. Its not a whole lot of work. And they already use custom bearings anyway. It's really just a diff axle, change the id of the bearings and give the driver a bushing. I'm no machinist or I probably would have done or be in the process of doing it.

tomdon wrote:

You've owned a coaster before right? I was regreasing mine yesterday and everything in it has like a 18-20mm bore. Why has ...more

tomdon wrote:

You've owned a coaster before right? I was regreasing mine yesterday and everything in it has like a 18-20mm bore. Why has true 14mm not been done yet? Give the driver a bushing and make the races 17mm bore on the bearings. Khe could have done that long ago. Beats the fuck outta me why they didn't. 17mm center like bsd/ody/shadow. Its not a whole lot of work. And they already use custom bearings anyway. It's really just a diff axle, change the id of the bearings and give the driver a bushing. I'm no machinist or I probably would have done or be in the process of doing it.

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Freecoaster bearings are known to explode? Lets make them smaller!
Freecoasters are difficult to crankflip? Lets give them driver bushings to make them even harder!!

GSport George > German people

Xxohioanxx wrote:

Freecoaster bearings are known to explode? Lets make them smaller!
Freecoasters are difficult to crankflip? Lets give them ...more

Xxohioanxx wrote:

Freecoaster bearings are known to explode? Lets make them smaller!
Freecoasters are difficult to crankflip? Lets give them driver bushings to make them even harder!!

GSport George > German people

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Do you have proof that the Clutch doesn't use thin bearings or a driver bushing?

Also, have you ever blown a bearing on an Eclat Blind or tried crankflipping one?

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Do you have proof that the Clutch doesn't use thin bearings or a driver bushing?

Also, have you ever blown a bearing on an ...more

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Do you have proof that the Clutch doesn't use thin bearings or a driver bushing?

Also, have you ever blown a bearing on an Eclat Blind or tried crankflipping one?

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It wasn't about the Blind or the Clutch, it was about tam's idea lol. Bottom part was a joke as well.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

It wasn't about the Blind or the Clutch, it was about tam's idea lol. Bottom part was a joke as well.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

It wasn't about the Blind or the Clutch, it was about tam's idea lol. Bottom part was a joke as well.

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Ah. My bad for misunderstanding.

sure the blind, clutch, all these new ideas for coasters are cool, and its good that people are trying to improve something. but at the same time, why is that we need better design? because they break all too easily. honestly if you have an ounce of knowledge of bike maintenance, a set of coaster bearings should last at least a year, if not longer if you are trying not to stamp down with pedal pressure
Personally I've never broken any coaster part in 2.5 years, but i've replaced probably a dozen bearings recently because people can't take care of their shit.
remember the cult match coaster? remember how it was flaunted to have a superior bearing arrangement? ever few days i see another picture of a shattered driver, saw one break in person
what about the ezra? everyone says the slack disks break (never had that problem personally)
same with the old khe design that everyone uses
who is to say the blind and the clutch arent the same? and please don't say some bullshit about how its rider tested, because almost all parts are, and it doesn't mean they don't suck. riders promote them because they are payed to do so, not necessarily because they actually think the parts are good
honestly maybe its the way people ride and abuse the hubs rather than how flawed they are. maybe they arent designed to do bitchcrank after bitchcrank like a cassette can stand. maybe its like a park frame, only suitable for certain riders/riding styles and when used outside of its intended range of abuse, it won't hold up a will break
not to say that innovation is unneeded, i'm just sharing my personal opinion
just an opinion, not fact or law or truth or anything like that

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont ...more

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont see it as a problem. If people were to maintain their hubs, threaded nuts wouldnt be a problem. I ran my Primo Remix for a good two years and never had an issue with getting the hardware off. I just greased it and maintained it bi-monthly (just like I would do with any other hub.)

Im not biased when it comes to threaded vs. press fit, I wouldn't let it be a factor in which hub I get.

However, that 14mm female axle definitely factors in against the blind.. Going to be a tough decision. Ill probably buy whichever comes out first just since im tired of waiting

...more

tomdon wrote:

You've owned a coaster before right? I was regreasing mine yesterday and everything in it has like a 18-20mm bore. Why has ...more

tomdon wrote:

You've owned a coaster before right? I was regreasing mine yesterday and everything in it has like a 18-20mm bore. Why has true 14mm not been done yet? Give the driver a bushing and make the races 17mm bore on the bearings. Khe could have done that long ago. Beats the fuck outta me why they didn't. 17mm center like bsd/ody/shadow. Its not a whole lot of work. And they already use custom bearings anyway. It's really just a diff axle, change the id of the bearings and give the driver a bushing. I'm no machinist or I probably would have done or be in the process of doing it.

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Xxohioanxx wrote:

Freecoaster bearings are known to explode? Lets make them smaller!
Freecoasters are difficult to crankflip? Lets give them ...more

Xxohioanxx wrote:

Freecoaster bearings are known to explode? Lets make them smaller!
Freecoasters are difficult to crankflip? Lets give them driver bushings to make them even harder!!

GSport George > German people

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1. Who gives a shit about about crankflips.
2. You're not making the bearing smaller. You're thinning the race like fit did for the 24mm cranks. I thought you were engineer? So since this idea sucks I suppose the bearings for the 24mm fit cranks are shit too?

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, just because it clamps A LOT better for my experience and my wheel doesn't shift after 3 grinds. I'm really excited for the éclat Blind freecoaster and I hope it is as reliable as it sounds.

tomdon wrote:

1. Who gives a shit about about crankflips.
2. You're not making the bearing smaller. You're thinning the race like fit did ...more

tomdon wrote:

1. Who gives a shit about about crankflips.
2. You're not making the bearing smaller. You're thinning the race like fit did for the 24mm cranks. I thought you were engineer? So since this idea sucks I suppose the bearings for the 24mm fit cranks are shit too?

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Making the race smaller is making the bearing smaller. The inner race takes a lot of stress, you don't want to fuck around with it. You already know my opinion of 24mm cranks.

B(avaria)mx wrote:

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, ...more

B(avaria)mx wrote:

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, just because it clamps A LOT better for my experience and my wheel doesn't shift after 3 grinds. I'm really excited for the éclat Blind freecoaster and I hope it is as reliable as it sounds.

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true 14mm females are much stronger than 14mm male axles purely by design
if it moves, you are incapable of tightening a wheel

If this comes in red, I am going to buy it.

Or I may just say screw it and get a black one, and a new black front hub.

I like things to match.

B(avaria)mx wrote:

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, ...more

B(avaria)mx wrote:

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, just because it clamps A LOT better for my experience and my wheel doesn't shift after 3 grinds. I'm really excited for the éclat Blind freecoaster and I hope it is as reliable as it sounds.

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bmxsteve99 wrote:

true 14mm females are much stronger than 14mm male axles purely by design
if it moves, you are incapable of tightening a ...more

bmxsteve99 wrote:

true 14mm females are much stronger than 14mm male axles purely by design
if it moves, you are incapable of tightening a wheel

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Purely by design, male axles tighten more easily and harder than female ones. I'm definately not incapable of tightening a wheel, I guess you've never grinded.

B(avaria)mx wrote:

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, ...more

B(avaria)mx wrote:

I don't know why everyone's about these 'true female' 14mm rear bolt hubs. For a heavy grinder I think a 14mm axle is better, just because it clamps A LOT better for my experience and my wheel doesn't shift after 3 grinds. I'm really excited for the éclat Blind freecoaster and I hope it is as reliable as it sounds.

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bmxsteve99 wrote:

true 14mm females are much stronger than 14mm male axles purely by design
if it moves, you are incapable of tightening a ...more

bmxsteve99 wrote:

true 14mm females are much stronger than 14mm male axles purely by design
if it moves, you are incapable of tightening a wheel

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B(avaria)mx wrote:

Purely by design, male axles tighten more easily and harder than female ones. I'm definately not incapable of tightening a ...more

B(avaria)mx wrote:

Purely by design, male axles tighten more easily and harder than female ones. I'm definately not incapable of tightening a wheel, I guess you've never grinded.

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if its shemale it can be a pain in the ass because if the threads are a tiny bit to long it wont tighten correctly.

tomdon wrote:

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks ...more

tomdon wrote:

That would be a threaded cone nut. And everyone just bitches that threaded sucks and press fit is the best so this hub sucks right?

...more

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont ...more

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Considering every other freecoaster currently available uses them, and the notorious Primo Mix / Cult Match use them, I dont see it as a problem. If people were to maintain their hubs, threaded nuts wouldnt be a problem. I ran my Primo Remix for a good two years and never had an issue with getting the hardware off. I just greased it and maintained it bi-monthly (just like I would do with any other hub.)

Im not biased when it comes to threaded vs. press fit, I wouldn't let it be a factor in which hub I get.

However, that 14mm female axle definitely factors in against the blind.. Going to be a tough decision. Ill probably buy whichever comes out first just since im tired of waiting

...more

This.
My old odyssey hazard v1 was bought when it first came out. it has been through utter hell. I've taken it dam jumping went through years of just using wd40. (When i was 11-13) and it is still running now. Friend has it and i just tightened and trued the wheel. Still on original spokes, never had a snapped one and I have only ever replaced the driver once in its existence. Never stripped the threads or had a problem where the cones would just tighten or loosen randomly. Classics are the best in my mind.

Now i run a porn hub in the rear which is almost exactly the same as my old v1 hazard and a monkey in the front which is still on original bearings and all. Maintenance is critical in the life of a hub

jamiespadina wrote:

This.
My old odyssey hazard v1 was bought when it first came out. it has been through utter hell. I've taken it dam jumping ...more

jamiespadina wrote:

This.
My old odyssey hazard v1 was bought when it first came out. it has been through utter hell. I've taken it dam jumping went through years of just using wd40. (When i was 11-13) and it is still running now. Friend has it and i just tightened and trued the wheel. Still on original spokes, never had a snapped one and I have only ever replaced the driver once in its existence. Never stripped the threads or had a problem where the cones would just tighten or loosen randomly. Classics are the best in my mind.

Now i run a porn hub in the rear which is almost exactly the same as my old v1 hazard and a monkey in the front which is still on original bearings and all. Maintenance is critical in the life of a hub

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Says good stuff about the odyssey hub, does a bunny hop, explodes. lol jk but really classics and proven things are good, but innovation is very important and should always be great.

Tbh, on the whole clutch or blind, i think the clutch will be very strong and will definitely hold up to heavy grinding, but i think the blind will be a hell of alot smoother and more reliable