Forks n headset

All the integrated headset (45°x 45°) are the same.
If the one you have broken looks like the headset you found, not doudt, it will fit your fork and frame.
Also the fork you are looking for as an integrated bearing race (like on most of the forks avaiable) so you'll not need the bearing race alone.
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Francky wrote:

All the integrated headset (45x 45) are the same.
If the one you have broken looks like the headset you found, not doudt, it ...more

Francky wrote:

All the integrated headset (45°x 45°) are the same.
If the one you have broken looks like the headset you found, not doudt, it will fit your fork and frame.
Also the fork you are looking for as an integrated bearing race (like on most of the forks avaiable) so you'll not need the bearing race alone.
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You can still use the bearing race on an intergrated fork. I like the look of it better, and it reduces headset stack height.

Odyssey forks so you'll never need new ones again



/thread. Lol

If you still use the standard headset cups you can't put the integrated bearings in it you will need to but the mechanik sti headset that goes in like a standard headset but uses integrated bearing.

Nwewinit wrote:

You can still use the bearing race on an intergrated fork. I like the look of it better, and it reduces headset stack height. ...more

Nwewinit wrote:

You can still use the bearing race on an intergrated fork. I like the look of it better, and it reduces headset stack height.

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That just seems like a terrible idea...


The integrated race on the fork is curved specifically to have a headset bearing rest on top of it, not a bearing race that sits flat on it.

I mean yeah it stays together tight, I've seen people do it before and it stayed tight, before being told it's wrong anyway.
Just seems to me that landing weird on it like that could cause the race (The non-integrated one) to break since it doesn't sit perfectly together on the fork.

That and I guess the potential to wear the integrated race out, too.

Francky wrote:

All the integrated headset (45x 45) are the same.
If the one you have broken looks like the headset you found, not doudt, it ...more

Francky wrote:

All the integrated headset (45°x 45°) are the same.
If the one you have broken looks like the headset you found, not doudt, it will fit your fork and frame.
Also the fork you are looking for as an integrated bearing race (like on most of the forks avaiable) so you'll not need the bearing race alone.
[LINK TO IMAGE]

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Nwewinit wrote:

You can still use the bearing race on an intergrated fork. I like the look of it better, and it reduces headset stack height. ...more

Nwewinit wrote:

You can still use the bearing race on an intergrated fork. I like the look of it better, and it reduces headset stack height.

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sundaybmxRR wrote:

That just seems like a terrible idea...


The integrated race on the fork is curved specifically to have a headset bearing ...more

sundaybmxRR wrote:

That just seems like a terrible idea...


The integrated race on the fork is curved specifically to have a headset bearing rest on top of it, not a bearing race that sits flat on it.

I mean yeah it stays together tight, I've seen people do it before and it stayed tight, before being told it's wrong anyway.
Just seems to me that landing weird on it like that could cause the race (The non-integrated one) to break since it doesn't sit perfectly together on the fork.

That and I guess the potential to wear the integrated race out, too.

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It sits perfectly on the race it's not flat the race sits on the race. And your right the bearing race is shaped to sit perfectly with a bearing, thats why my non integrated race sit perfectly on my integrated race. Because they're the exact same shape and fit.

If anything, it's making the race in my fork last longer due to lack of use.

If it were flat It would be called a washer..

Nwewinit wrote:

It sits perfectly on the race it's not flat the race sits on the race. And your right the bearing race is shaped to sit ...more

Nwewinit wrote:

It sits perfectly on the race it's not flat the race sits on the race. And your right the bearing race is shaped to sit perfectly with a bearing, thats why my non integrated race sit perfectly on my integrated race. Because they're the exact same shape and fit.

If anything, it's making the race in my fork last longer due to lack of use.

If it were flat It would be called a washer..

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I haven't used one of those things in several years and the last time I did I recall them being flat with a curve on the inside that fits onto forks with non-integrated races.

That in mind, one would assume the curves on older races are different so the older race would fit onto a fork with no integrated race. If they fit integrated fork races already, there never would have been need for races to begin with and every fork would already have been one with an integrated race.

Idk how much that makes sense, but I'm guessing at some point the design was changed so that if you put a race on anyway, it will still connect to your fork without causing harm. Unlike older races that were designed to sit around a bare fork steerer tube.


Even so, I still wouldn't trust it. Years ago a friend of mine who used a one with a fork that already had an integrated race nose dived out of a grind on a high ledge and came down hard, then pieces of the bearing race shot everywhere... First time I ever saw one of those things shatter

The reason they're flat on the bottom with a little curve is because it is a punch pressed part. It's a 45 degree angle top and bottom to match the campy bearing that it was punched for not the fork. It has always been punched at a 45 degree angle unless you have one of those goofy 45/36 bearing headsets...

Older heasets didn't even need an angled race on the forks because they didn't use angled bearings... I'd assume you'd know atleast that before you said it was wrong.

Standard headsets used caged bearing pressed in from the the forks and stem, the bearing races were called " bearing cups" (essentially a sealed bearing you can take apart) the bearing wasn't actually in cintact with the fork at all. Just the back of the bearing cage the bearings rolled freely against the bearing cups. The only thing that was down there WAS a flat tiny washer to keep grease in and dirt out.

And an internal headset was just a terrible fucking idea.

I'm not exactly sure how a Hi-tensile steel fork race would shatter, but wierd shit happens to bikes so, sure.

Nwewinit wrote:

The reason they're flat on the bottom with a little curve is because it is a punch pressed part. It's a 45 degree angle top ...more

Nwewinit wrote:

The reason they're flat on the bottom with a little curve is because it is a punch pressed part. It's a 45 degree angle top and bottom to match the campy bearing that it was punched for not the fork. It has always been punched at a 45 degree angle unless you have one of those goofy 45/36 bearing headsets...

Older heasets didn't even need an angled race on the forks because they didn't use angled bearings... I'd assume you'd know atleast that before you said it was wrong.

Standard headsets used caged bearing pressed in from the the forks and stem, the bearing races were called " bearing cups" (essentially a sealed bearing you can take apart) the bearing wasn't actually in cintact with the fork at all. Just the back of the bearing cage the bearings rolled freely against the bearing cups. The only thing that was down there WAS a flat tiny washer to keep grease in and dirt out.

And an internal headset was just a terrible fucking idea.

I'm not exactly sure how a Hi-tensile steel fork race would shatter, but wierd shit happens to bikes so, sure.

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I think we have a misunderstanding because explaining what I'm trying to specify over the internet is hard.


Both forks made with standard headsets and forks made for integrated headsets (Ones without integrated races) have flat spots where the lower bearing race sits, and are just slightly tapered right above that for a snug fit, or have an edge that the race slides over and fits snugly with. You can see what I'm talking about here

The bearing races that are used have a curved part on top where the bearing will sit, but on the bottom of them they usually have a curved part there too where they rest at the bottom of the steerer. You can see the curved part in the above photo too if you zoom in. That's where you & I are currently confused.

The lower bearing race YOU have fits over the integrated race perfectly and is the same angle as it, so it fits fine with no problems. But I remember when I first got forks with an integrated race, I tried putting the lower bearing race from my Colony integrated headset on it just to see if it would even fit out of curiosity, and it did not fit on the race because the angle was very different (Yes, it was 45°x45°)



That's why I initially said it was wrong to do that. Maybe Colony just didn't use the same lower race as everyone else or something, but I know for sure that one didn't fit on there right which is why I always figured it was wrong since then. I just think, and still do, it looks uglier that way. Like something's installed wrong or something. If it works for you then good. I'll see if I can find that specific bearing race and take photos of it and photos of it on my integrated fork race to show you too, assuming I even have it anywhere anymore. I have no clue where it would even be as this was over 6 years ago.