G-Sport Birdcage vs Odyssey Hazard Lite & 7KA

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11/22/2013 9:03 AM

I wanna build better wheels in the future and I wanted to get Birdcages for both wheels
I've been checking old threads to get as much opinions as I can
but I've seen a few negative opinions about them so I'm wondering about getting 7KA (rear) and Hazard (front)

and let's just say I don't want any other brands atm

what should I do?

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11/22/2013 9:07 AM

I cracked my first set of Birdcages riding alot of unsmooth street. My 2nd set from warranty is doing great after two months.

If i was going to buck and up and spend cash again, i would do

Birdcage(Front), Rib or Rollcage(Rear)

Odyssey Aerospace(Front), 7KA(Rear)

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11/22/2013 9:12 AM

Ribcage
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11/22/2013 10:31 AM

@Brokenbmx
thanks yo, I'll take it into consideration

@FreddyDapice
why? they aren't even available in my country

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11/22/2013 10:32 AM

ultrasonic wrote:

@Brokenbmx
thanks yo, I'll take it into consideration

@FreddyDapice
why? they aren't even available in my country

Ribcages are by far the strongest rim on the market.

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11/22/2013 1:51 PM

My understanding is the hazards and 7ks have equal strength. Only difference is weight. This is because the hazards are 6061 "triple wall" (2.5 wall tbh) and 7ks are 7075 (stronger) double wall. So personally, a haz front 7k rear sounds ideal because imo bikes with equal weight on each side ride so much better.
As for bird cages, I don't trust them solely because they don't weigh shit which sketches me out.

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11/22/2013 2:18 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

My understanding is the hazards and 7ks have equal strength. Only difference is weight. This is because the hazards are 6061 ...more

7075 is like 50% stronger than 6061... plus the 7K is 17 ounces and the Hazard lite is like 17.6 ounces... not too much of a difference. The 7K is quite a bit stronger but still lighter. The 7K probably has the best strength/weight ratio of any rim. But the Ribcage is the strongest rim overall.

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11/22/2013 2:29 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2013 2:30 PM

^I want to see 7075 Hazards! I'd buy that crap up quick! I'm with Hard on balanced weight too. I've ridden an uneven setup where the front was too light compared to rear, feels shit at times.

I've got Hazard Lite up front and 48h Rib in the rear, lovin it. Haz front and 7k rear would be great. Or even two 7ks/Ribs would be solid. Birdcages are overrated imo, I'd never run em.

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11/22/2013 2:35 PM

BMXism wrote:

^I want to see 7075 Hazards! I'd buy that crap up quick! I'm with Hard on balanced weight too. I've ridden an uneven setup ...more

I can get you a 48h brand new 7ka for the cheap. Black.

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11/22/2013 2:41 PM

my rear was 25 bucks new. Get me a cheap 36 7k instead lol.

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11/22/2013 2:44 PM

BMXism wrote:

my rear was 25 bucks new. Get me a cheap 36 7k instead lol.

What hub do you have? If you're running a 48h ratchet I think we can work something out

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11/22/2013 2:52 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2013 2:54 PM

BMXism wrote:

my rear was 25 bucks new. Get me a cheap 36 7k instead lol.

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

What hub do you have? If you're running a 48h ratchet I think we can work something out

nah. i'm on an old shadow rant 2. How much are you talking on the 7k? I may want to build up a freecoaster in the future.. maybe even get myself a 48h front hub lol

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11/22/2013 3:02 PM

BMXism wrote:

nah. i'm on an old shadow rant 2. How much are you talking on the 7k? I may want to build up a freecoaster in the future.. ...more

I could snag up the 48 for maybe 30-40. I was gonna buy you a brand new 36h 7ka and lace it to my primo for your hub if it was a ratchet loo

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11/22/2013 3:14 PM

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11/22/2013 3:21 PM

yeah I think I'll stick to the idea of having Hazard in front and 7KA in the rear

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11/22/2013 3:24 PM

my friend has a hazard , its really strong but he finds he needs to true his wheel often

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11/22/2013 3:28 PM

hey dude I had this exact setup : 48h 7ka rear and 36h hazard front

The 7ka in 48 is kind of bombproof and hazard in front is very reliable and dont need much truing

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11/22/2013 7:33 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/22/2013 7:36 PM

Ribcage > 7KA > Hazard Lite > Rollcage > Birdcage

The Birdcage is an aero rim and is recommended for the front though some light riders run it both front and rear. As for Ribcage's, they're basically Rollcage's but a stronger version. With 7KA's and Hazard Lite's, they're both super strong but the 7KA has a stronger material and is lighter, which is the closest in comparison to the Ribcage. If you on budget but need super good street rims, go both Rollcages, both Hazard Lites, or Rollcage in the rear with Birdcage in the front like most people who run Gsport rims.

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11/23/2013 12:05 AM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

My understanding is the hazards and 7ks have equal strength. Only difference is weight. This is because the hazards are 6061 ...more

Xxohioanxx wrote:

7075 is like 50% stronger than 6061... plus the 7K is 17 ounces and the Hazard lite is like 17.6 ounces... not too much of a ...more

You're right 7075 is about 50% stronger than 6061. But the 7KA is made of 7005 Aluminium, which is only about 10-15% stronger.

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11/23/2013 5:34 AM

I have hazards front and rear and they've never been a problem at all.

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11/23/2013 10:47 AM

Just run a Birdcage in the front and a ribcage in the back. Light front end and bombproof back !

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11/23/2013 11:07 AM

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11/23/2013 1:35 PM

chad88 wrote:

my friend has a hazard , its really strong but he finds he needs to true his wheel often

same problem here, im running a hazard in the rear and it is insane how much that thing needs to be trued. i did have dans lace it (which you should never. ever. ever. do) so that might also be a contributing factor.

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11/23/2013 1:41 PM

realityisajoke wrote:

same problem here, im running a hazard in the rear and it is insane how much that thing needs to be trued. i did have dans ...more

You obviously don't know the first thing about lacing a wheel. After you ride a freshly laced wheel, the spokes stretch out causing them to be loose. Doesnt matter who or where laces it, it will be the case every time.
Ill put money on it that you either didn't tighten them or you tightened them wrong after they stretched.
Therefor your argument is invalid.

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11/23/2013 5:47 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/23/2013 5:49 PM

BMXism wrote:

^I want to see 7075 Hazards! I'd buy that crap up quick! I'm with Hard on balanced weight too. I've ridden an uneven setup ...more

Shit man right now I'm riding the same exact rims just that my rear rib is 36h.
I got this Hazard Lite for cheap and was supposed to be a provisory substitute for the Birdcage I sold but is actually holding up really good.
Yet don't know what to do.
I kind of want my old front wheel back (still have another Ribcage in Italy) so I'd rather sell my front wheel as a whole and get another GSport, Simian possibly?

But yes my wet dream has always been having 7KAs.

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11/23/2013 6:15 PM

Birdcage if you only ride like park or flowy trails and are concerned on weight. If your on a budget get Hazards. If money is no obstacle then get 7ka's

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11/23/2013 7:03 PM

fitbikerider14 wrote:

Birdcage if you only ride like park or flowy trails and are concerned on weight. If your on a budget get Hazards. If money is ...more

mostly trails and park, I don't ride street, only stairs so I decided to get one Hazard Lite and one 7KA

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11/23/2013 9:04 PM

ultrasonic wrote:

mostly trails and park, I don't ride street, only stairs so I decided to get one Hazard Lite and one 7KA

Sounds good but I would get matching rims but that's just me being weird lol.

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11/24/2013 12:44 AM

fitbikerider14 wrote:

Sounds good but I would get matching rims but that's just me being weird lol.

but they look the same m8

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11/25/2013 2:02 PM

I run a hazard light in the back and want to get a new rim for the front do you think I should just get another hazard for the front to get an aerospace

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