I need help with bmx

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9/1/2015 6:27 PM

So, I've been searching on these forums and others for many weeks/months and haven't found anything really close to what I'm looking for, so I decided I'll just ask and I hope this is the right place to ask about it.

I have a Stolen Casino (2012? idk really. around there) and it is orange and blue and I really like it. The problem is, when I got it, I was much smaller and younger and now I am around 6 foot 1 or 2 and still growing most likely. I have had it for Around 2-3 years-ish, and I still cannot do a simple 180. Couldn't back then, still can't now. Everybody says to ride for fun, but no matter what I do I get really frustrated with it. I can't do anything and it blows my mind!

Now, over these 2 years, I didn't really ride everyday needless to say, so I don't expect to be godmode or anywhere near it, but I would really like to get into it again. I try to do a 180 (jhop), and I just wimp out everytime, or don't turn my head because I've had bad experiences landing on my elbows and what not when im trying to spin without really seeing where im going. I think it is really just because I feel too big and not confident enough on that bike. Is that a possibility?

I've been thinking that maybe I just need to buy a bigger whole bike, like 9.5in rise (like adam lz), 21in top tube, and any other recommendations that you could give me on how to fit a bike for me.

Sorry for the long post, hopefully I get some responses and solutions. All in all, would it be better to just get used to this bike (and maybe get spacers for the bars?), or get a whole new bike with all the stuff I want on it? Would getting a whole new bike help me out with learning 180s, and just all around comfort? Or would these changes not help that significantly? Sorry if I lost you guys as well. Thanks in advance for any help!

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9/1/2015 7:57 PM

Regardless of your bike there's plenty of other tricks you can learn that are way easier and less frustrating than 180s. Find a low ledge and start learning some grinds. Find a ramp and learn to flow or flyout. Don't let 180s hold you back from other stuff.

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9/1/2015 8:59 PM

ironmaiden666 wrote:

Regardless of your bike there's plenty of other tricks you can learn that are way easier and less frustrating than 180s. Find ...more

Hm. Ok, except where I currently am there is not really much parks, but I could do street and go to the few parks we have locally. Great tip, thanks! I may end up doing that, but any tips on 180s are appreciated! Or do you think that by just riding my bike and grinding, I may become more used to it and the 180 may feel a little more natural at some point? Thanks for the response ironmaiden

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9/2/2015 7:14 AM

More time on your bike and having good hops helps, but I've been riding most my life and I'm still struggling with learning 180s! Every time you ride try them maybe 5-10 times then cruise around and do other stuff. You'll eventually get it but you'll also get better at other stuff. As for 180 tips the one that worked best for me is trying them on a slight incline

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9/2/2015 8:11 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/2/2015 8:14 AM

I'd recommend the same....just get out there and ride. Just start out low key, cruise the streets or local parks and just flow around and hop stuff or hit the box jumps. This will help you gain confidence in the bike and you'll start getting muscle memory for a lot of things.

2-3 years of riding once a week or so is really not that much riding. You need to ride almost everyday and do the same movement repeatedly to get your body and brain to forge the connections in your brain to make these muscle movements automatic....like walking or breathing, and even the simple act of physically riding a bike (which is actually incredibly complex and damn near impossible to unlearn...watch this crazy video:

It blew my fricken mind). Once you are hopping and stuff without any conscious effort...then you never have to think about the bunnyhop before a 180 PLUS the 180 movements PLUS the landing.

The other side to muscle memory is sorta where you are and do not want to be....by continually practicing a 180 and not having a solid riding foundation, you are actually forming muscle memories for doing crappy 180's and failing. The connections made do not care if what you are doing is good or bad, but only that you keep repeating it....so if you fail at 180's 10,000 times....it's going to be near impossible to unlearn that failure. So it is far better to start slow and build up the skills required to do things first. Make sense?
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9/2/2015 11:23 AM

I could 360 before I learned 180s.

In fact, my half cabs are still fucking atrocious.

Ride more often. Ride parks or ledges. If you don't have much to ride around you, build a 16" high box that's 8ft long and 18" wide. You can learn most of the basic grinds on it. You can learn hop up to manuals on it. You can learn 360s and 180s off it once your hops get higher and you gain a little more bike control.

The trick to getting better at bmx is to have fun.

It would honestly probably help to have a 21" tt on your bike because you are tall as shit and I know my back hurts after a while if I ride frames that are shorter than 20.6.
You don't need a better bike to 180. But if a more comfortable bike would make you stoked to ride more then get it because at the end of the day the only way to learn tricks is to ride your bike and try them.

Go for it. Good luck.

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9/2/2015 11:47 AM

trainwrex wrote:

I could 360 before I learned 180s.

In fact, my half cabs are still fucking atrocious.

Ride more often. Ride parks or ...more

Great advice.

In full disclosure, I'm pretty sure that I can't hop 180 and roll or half-cap out....and I have 17+ years under my belt. But, I've just never really tried to do it or felt like I needed to do it. I can bonk on a wall and ride fakie for a while, and I can fakie back down a 1/4 for a while, but I pretty much always slide out or hop off. I grew up mostly riding trails and some parks and only occasionally riding street spots....and It seems more of a regional trick too, like up here in the Midwest in the 90's, no one ever did fakie stuff, so no one ever tried to learn them.

Now, saying that, I bet I could learn them in a day or two of trying, but only because I'd be able to focus on just the landing 180 and some rolling out or half-cab. The rest of the motions would take no conscious effort. My problem would probably be over-rotating because I'm used to 3's only....so stopping at 180 would feel really unnatural.

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9/3/2015 11:57 AM

Huh, ok. Thanks for all the advice guys. I am definitely thinking about building a box, and once it gets a little less hot and stops raining ill go to the local park and try some stuff out. It's been so hot that the only thing to do is go swimming recently.. haha or it has rained! So thanks again guys, tips and all! I do think that just more time on the bike would help, but I totally forgot about grinding! Any more tips are still appreciated, or stories or anything about you guys trying stuff. I'd like to hear about anything you got if you want to share! It's cool to know that 180's are hard for experienced bikers as well, cause I thought I was just maybe not mean't to bike, which could still be the case. I don't know haha. Thanks though!

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9/3/2015 12:31 PM

And just because you see people doing 180's and fakie stair sets and do 10 grinds on every flat rail, doesn't mean that's the way you gotta ride. I'm way more impressed with the guys that can bomb around at full speed and manual everything and air out huge smooth transfers and alley-oops and stuff...but that's how I like to ride too.

I hear you on the heat, I'm down i43 about an hour from you...yesterday was miserable with the humidity too. I rode for like 10 minutes and called it a night.

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9/4/2015 6:40 AM

ironmaiden666 wrote:

Regardless of your bike there's plenty of other tricks you can learn that are way easier and less frustrating than 180s. Find ...more

Nickr wrote:

Hm. Ok, except where I currently am there is not really much parks, but I could do street and go to the few parks we have ...more

http://www.gbaso.com/

Go there?

Go to any free park. You don't need 64 parks locally to ride. Hit the streets, build stuff at home, build dirt jumps, go to whatever local stuff you have. I have one park within 20 miles of me, it's technically skateboard only, but everyone goes. I've seen kids riding in shopping carts on it.

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