Lets get this straight FRAME SPECS

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11/20/2012 1:56 PM

I've seen these threads pop up at least once a day. And im sure everyone is tired of seeing these same threads litter the forum. So lets just get this straight. Frame specs for different kinds of riding."NOTE" (THIS IS ALL OPINION ON WHAT YOU LIKE)
First off
Trails:
Longer chainstay/rear end for more control in the air
Not as steep head tube angle
Top tube is all preference
Higher bottom bracket tube
Frame recommendations Fly luna, BSD
Park:
Medium size chain stay
Average head tube angle
Lower bb tube
Frame recommendations Fit benny or Marv
Street:
Short chainstay
21" TT
Higher bb tube
Steeper head tube
FRAME Recommendations, Sunday wave

If any one has changes please tell me.
Do you think mods should stickey this to stop everyone from asking the same question.

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11/20/2012 2:08 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2012 2:10 PM

For park you put medium chainstay along with the Fit benny, and on the Street you put Short Chainstay with the sunday wave. Typo maybe?
For park and street i'd probably change it to short-medium chainstays

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11/20/2012 2:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2012 2:14 PM

I sort of kinda disagree with a few of your frame recomendations, but most of this is spot on, then again I doubt most new-comers would even check the stickies and make the threads anyway.

EDIT: Like Andy said TT for street is preference, I ride a 20.6" and have alot friends who ride 20.6-20.8" all around 5"9"-6"2'.

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11/20/2012 2:11 PM

I agree but there is plenty of frame around
And in street riding TT is also all personal preference

Add that park frames usually have a lower standover

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11/20/2012 2:27 PM

ok cool thanks guys I hope alot of people see this to stop littering threads

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11/20/2012 4:48 PM

specs.........kids these days........its all in your head

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11/20/2012 5:00 PM

eskimojay wrote:

specs.........kids these days........its all in your head

Well yes and no
I agree that you could get used to probably anything you ride it just takes time
But there is always that frame that actually felt a little better or a little comfier than the others
It's about finding what you like and just riding it

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11/20/2012 5:13 PM

eskimojay wrote:

specs.........kids these days........its all in your head

andyferly wrote:

Well yes and no
I agree that you could get used to probably anything you ride it just takes time
But there is always that frame that actually felt a little better or a little comfier than the others
It's about finding what you like and just riding it

No jay's right so many guys here ride not knowing shit about their bikes and getting new parts constantly new parts anyways
It is all in our heads definitely

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11/20/2012 5:43 PM

im 5"2
ride street all day
so would a 20"top tube and short chainstay would be nice?
because im lookin at the Benny L frame and i wanna make sure its a god size

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11/20/2012 6:17 PM

when it comes down to it, it's all personal preference, but this is a good starting point for someone in the market for a new frame.

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11/20/2012 6:50 PM

people who just aren't that good at bmx are the only ones who worry about 'specs'

i can do tricks on a road bike that doesn't fit me right, tell me i'm wrong

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11/20/2012 6:54 PM
Edited Date/Time: 11/20/2012 6:55 PM

BJ Tomczik wrote:

people who just aren't that good at bmx are the only ones who worry about 'specs'

i can do tricks on a road bike that doesn't fit me right, tell me i'm wrong

if good riders didnt worry about specs, we wouldn't have signature frames

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11/20/2012 9:34 PM

Nice tips, personally I don't agree with the BB height,

Low:
Stable, more over the bike (typically more for trails)

High:
tweaky, exaggerate the ease of pulling up (I think 11.8 is eaiser to lift then 11.5) (typically more for park)

If you ride fast (park, trails or street) you would want something lower....
I think 11.7-11.8 is the bee's knees but I don't ride extremely big or fast...

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11/20/2012 9:58 PM

How about screw specs and get a frame with a 75 degree HT and your fine for any type of riding

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11/20/2012 10:35 PM

BJ Tomczik wrote:

people who just aren't that good at bmx are the only ones who worry about 'specs'

i can do tricks on a road bike that doesn't fit me right, tell me i'm wrong

BrandynMauro wrote:

if good riders didnt worry about specs, we wouldn't have signature frames

right...

they are just so different from what's already out there...

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11/21/2012 3:54 AM

BJ Tomczik wrote:

people who just aren't that good at bmx are the only ones who worry about 'specs'

i can do tricks on a road bike that doesn't fit me right, tell me i'm wrong

BrandynMauro wrote:

if good riders didnt worry about specs, we wouldn't have signature frames

BJ Tomczik wrote:

right...

they are just so different from what's already out there...

Now days most frames have a similar geo

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11/21/2012 3:56 AM

eskimojay wrote:

specs.........kids these days........its all in your head

andyferly wrote:

Well yes and no
I agree that you could get used to probably anything you ride it just takes time
But there is always that frame that actually felt a little better or a little comfier than the others
It's about finding what you like and just riding it

Roqfan wrote:

No jay's right so many guys here ride not knowing shit about their bikes and getting new parts constantly new parts anyways
It is all in our heads definitely

I agree with changing parts like wheels or cranks but i do feel the difference between different bars and frames
I can ride about everything the same way without having any problems but as i said there is a difference

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11/21/2012 6:42 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/21/2012 6:45 AM

Short rear end = easy to get into manuals but harder to hold longer and spin faster, BUT may feel loose or squirrelly in air or at speed.

Long rear end = hard to get into manuals but easier to hold longer, more stable at speed, spin slower, more stable in air.

Top tube is preference to a certain degree, like a 6 foot 8 guy probably shouldn't be on a 19 inch TT.

Head tube angle: Steeper means more responsive turning and getting into front wheel stuff, shallower is more raked out and slower response for turning and harder to get into front wheel stuff.

Seat tube angle: Shallower will make the front half of the frame feel longer and for one piece seat/post setups, may make it a bit nose up. Steeper makes the front half feel shorter, and will be more nose down for the one piece seat/post setups.

When looking into a frame, keep these (and what the OP said) in mind, and if you have questions, shoot me a message and I will help you out if I can. Obviously other factors will affect the feel (stem length, stack height on front end, bar size, tire size, seat height/angle, where the rear wheel is in the dropouts, gearing, crank length, pedal choice, shoes etc) but this will help some on the frame to guide you to a viable option.

AND YOU WILL GET USED TO ANYTHING YOU GET.

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11/21/2012 6:44 AM

BJ Tomczik wrote:

people who just aren't that good at bmx are the only ones who worry about 'specs'

i can do tricks on a road bike that doesn't fit me right, tell me i'm wrong

Then I must suck haha, I spent like a month looking at frames and specs before I went with my Lacey frame, drop bars and liquid forks. Then I did the same with my wheelset.

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11/21/2012 12:23 PM

i hate long chainstays. harder to hop high on a long CS. one thing that makes a huge difference is fork offset. offsets like 25 feel ok in street situations, but they are so squirrely when dirt jumping. bike goes different directions off the face of a jump. So I prefer a short CS, but with a more fork offset like 33-35 to even out the handling.

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11/21/2012 10:01 PM

Frame specs do matter to a certain degree. Yes you could ride park with a trails frame or vice versa but frames have certain specs for certain typs of riding for a reason.

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11/22/2012 5:42 AM

Adrenalinebmx wrote:

Frame specs do matter to a certain degree. Yes you could ride park with a trails frame or vice versa but frames have certain specs for certain typs of riding for a reason.

I agree with this but keep in mind that people like different things, i know i guy who rides street with a 13.75 cahinstay not slamed and he wouldn't ride anything else

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11/22/2012 6:45 AM

why a 21 top tube for street? me and my friend both ride the loosefer but his is 21 and i can barely ride it, i ride the 20.666

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11/22/2012 10:49 PM

JP96 wrote:

why a 21 top tube for street? me and my friend both ride the loosefer but his is 21 and i can barely ride it, i ride the 20.666

Its all preference and what helps YOU ride the best.

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11/22/2012 11:11 PM

this is fuckin dumb... no frame you buy determines what you are going to buy. you can ride any terrain with any fucking geometry! IT DOESNT MATTER! so if you dont have a 21tt you cant ride street? lmao this is fuckin pointless. tt is whatever feels good to you not what some random fuck tells you in a thread he makes. all of my buddies ride dirt jumps with 75.5 headtubes does this mean they are fucking up their frames? lmao.

YOU RIDE WHAT EVER THE FUCK FEELS GOOD TO YOU GOD DAMN!

OP seems like an idiot.

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11/22/2012 11:43 PM

Broughton wrote:

this is fuckin dumb... no frame you buy determines what you are going to buy. you can ride any terrain with any fucking geometry! IT DOESNT MATTER! so if you dont have a 21tt you cant ride street? lmao this is fuckin pointless. tt is whatever feels good to you not what some random fuck tells you in a thread he makes. all of my buddies ride dirt jumps with 75.5 headtubes does this mean they are fucking up their frames? lmao.

YOU RIDE WHAT EVER THE FUCK FEELS GOOD TO YOU GOD DAMN!

OP seems like an idiot.

Thats why I said its all opinion and what feels good to you is the best. But those are the basic guild lines on what the frames were designed for

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11/23/2012 1:54 AM

Broughton wrote:

this is fuckin dumb... no frame you buy determines what you are going to buy. you can ride any terrain with any fucking geometry! IT DOESNT MATTER! so if you dont have a 21tt you cant ride street? lmao this is fuckin pointless. tt is whatever feels good to you not what some random fuck tells you in a thread he makes. all of my buddies ride dirt jumps with 75.5 headtubes does this mean they are fucking up their frames? lmao.

YOU RIDE WHAT EVER THE FUCK FEELS GOOD TO YOU GOD DAMN!

OP seems like an idiot.

True this
For e.g. Simone Barraco street rider rides with a 13.75 back end

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