NEW Guerra Moose frame OUT!

I waaaaaaaannnnntttttt iiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt nooooowwww i want it now! haha

the geo is amazing but not digging the price

ComplicatedStreetBmx wrote:

the geo is amazing but not digging the price

ComplicatedStreetBmx wrote:

the geo is amazing but not digging the price

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Exxxactly

Cool, send me one for free and I'll tell everyone where I got it and how cool it is and even put it in the background in one of my pornos.

Give me one to test drive.

For a Vein collective part i must say i am impressed with this (I'm impressed with the Coaster too actually) It's very well thought out & has some neat features. If i was given it, i would run it.

Looks like a pretty nice frame. And Vein do you know if Amber will bring back the seat/post combo and other parts? Also are they going to come out with anymore completes?

How do you pronounce Guerra???

KaneF15 wrote:

How do you pronounce Guerra???

KaneF15 wrote:

How do you pronounce Guerra???

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I say it like Gwair - a, but I'm probably wrong.

KaneF15 wrote:

How do you pronounce Guerra???

KaneF15 wrote:

How do you pronounce Guerra???

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ToEndTheRapture wrote:

I say it like Gwair - a, but I'm probably wrong.

ToEndTheRapture wrote:

I say it like Gwair - a, but I'm probably wrong.

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That's how i say it too. However i always thought Quamen was pronounced Kway-men when its actually Kwar-men

Too much butting. But I really like the geo and features. Wouldn't buy it though because of the excessive butting.

Now you guys know what im on about! Vein and all their companies are awesome! haha

dat standover. i like dat standover.

feeble_to_face wrote:

dat standover. i like dat standover.

feeble_to_face wrote:

dat standover. i like dat standover.

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mai standover is bigger doe mayn.

i like the gusset idea but should really have straight gauge tubing, if your interested is semi sponsoring a rider that literately has no life at all let me know

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 w/o half link and 13.54 without half link

tomdon wrote:

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 ...more

tomdon wrote:

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 w/o half link and 13.54 without half link

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28/9 is way further back than 13.54. My frame is 13.5-13.75 and 28/9 was in the middle of the dropout. But I agree, way too much butting. Ruins the frame for me.

tomdon wrote:

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 ...more

tomdon wrote:

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 w/o half link and 13.54 without half link

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what is the problem with butting? doesnt it improve stiffness and lightness or something? I always saw it on a lot of frames and stuff? Can you explain to me what butting is? haha

MaximusBikes wrote:

what is the problem with butting? doesnt it improve stiffness and lightness or something? I always saw it on a lot of frames ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

what is the problem with butting? doesnt it improve stiffness and lightness or something? I always saw it on a lot of frames and stuff? Can you explain to me what butting is? haha

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It's basically a change in thickness of the tubing. Double butted tubes are thicker at the ends and thinner at the middle, single butted is thicker at one, and so on. While it can increase the strength of a frame, most of the time it also makes the frame easier to dent.

The main thing that breaks this frame for me is the butted stays. I already have a problem denting straight gauge stays, so...

tomdon wrote:

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 ...more

tomdon wrote:

too much butting. i prefer straight guage tubing. and the gearing is wrong. 25/9 is 13.44 with a half link and 28/9 is 13.29 w/o half link and 13.54 without half link

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MaximusBikes wrote:

what is the problem with butting? doesnt it improve stiffness and lightness or something? I always saw it on a lot of frames ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

what is the problem with butting? doesnt it improve stiffness and lightness or something? I always saw it on a lot of frames and stuff? Can you explain to me what butting is? haha

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Xxohioanxx wrote:

It's basically a change in thickness of the tubing. Double butted tubes are thicker at the ends and thinner at the middle, ...more

Xxohioanxx wrote:

It's basically a change in thickness of the tubing. Double butted tubes are thicker at the ends and thinner at the middle, single butted is thicker at one, and so on. While it can increase the strength of a frame, most of the time it also makes the frame easier to dent.

The main thing that breaks this frame for me is the butted stays. I already have a problem denting straight gauge stays, so...

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Ohh okay thanks man!! Wonder who came up with that idea? I would still get it because i have never dented a frame, other than a fit trl that would dent if you flicked it haha

Denting sucks bottom chain stay should have 0.85 rubbing thickness

Geo is sweet, but that's pretty much it. I could find something with similar geo from a company I trust for cheaper or about the same price, wouldn't touch this thing with a 10ft. pole.

Hey Vein BMX, it says room for 2.3 tire, would a 2.4 tire fit?

Seriously, what issues are there in heat treating a frame after welding? furnace size? Heat treating prior to welding is fine as long as you like all the weak spots by the welds. There's no doubt you all just did it to retain the weld marks for the clear coat option. It is a decent looking frame. I like what you did with the gussets, Sunday welds the tubes completely to the HT before the gussets are welded on as well. My Redline bb shell is also externally machined like that. It seems to be a fairly well thought out frame though, and it looks great!

KaneF15 wrote:

How do you pronounce Guerra???

KaneF15 wrote:

How do you pronounce Guerra???

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ToEndTheRapture wrote:

I say it like Gwair - a, but I'm probably wrong.

ToEndTheRapture wrote:

I say it like Gwair - a, but I'm probably wrong.

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Topsey wrote:

That's how i say it too. However i always thought Quamen was pronounced Kway-men when its actually Kwar-men

Topsey wrote:

That's how i say it too. However i always thought Quamen was pronounced Kway-men when its actually Kwar-men

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Guerra is Spanish for war, it's pronounced geh-rra. Idk if that's what they are going for.

Chuck8273 wrote:

Seriously, what issues are there in heat treating a frame after welding? furnace size? Heat treating prior to welding is fine ...more

Chuck8273 wrote:

Seriously, what issues are there in heat treating a frame after welding? furnace size? Heat treating prior to welding is fine as long as you like all the weak spots by the welds. There's no doubt you all just did it to retain the weld marks for the clear coat option. It is a decent looking frame. I like what you did with the gussets, Sunday welds the tubes completely to the HT before the gussets are welded on as well. My Redline bb shell is also externally machined like that. It seems to be a fairly well thought out frame though, and it looks great!

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Chuck, my old man was a Welder/Fabricator for over 30 years. His out look on the heat treated before welding is pretty much what you said, Its just for looks. He said technically you heat treat a frame as you weld anyway because it heats the tubing as the bead goes down. It's easier to do it before because it changes the density (I think that's what i want to say lol) of the tubing so if they heat treat then machine the BB, Head tube & seat tube before they weld it all up its just easier than trying to machine it all out when you have a whole frame to work with. Its just laziness really haha. There are pros & cons for doing it before & after welding i personally don't think it makes a huge amount of difference. I have ridden numerous American made frames that are heat treated before welding & a couple of Taiwanese frames that are heat treated after welding. The average person will not know. You cant feel any extra stiffness or flexing IMO. All the butting though! no, no, no! I know it saves weight (FRACTIONAL AMOUNTS!) Its thicker where its needed at the welding areas. Which i think is fine for flatland because they are the spots that take the stress but how many Flatlanders are gunna drop their frame on a rail down a 10 set? Straight Gauge Tubing for a Street frame is almost a must nowadays!

Topsey wrote:

Chuck, my old man was a Welder/Fabricator for over 30 years. His out look on the heat treated before welding is pretty much ...more

Topsey wrote:

Chuck, my old man was a Welder/Fabricator for over 30 years. His out look on the heat treated before welding is pretty much what you said, Its just for looks. He said technically you heat treat a frame as you weld anyway because it heats the tubing as the bead goes down. It's easier to do it before because it changes the density (I think that's what i want to say lol) of the tubing so if they heat treat then machine the BB, Head tube & seat tube before they weld it all up its just easier than trying to machine it all out when you have a whole frame to work with. Its just laziness really haha. There are pros & cons for doing it before & after welding i personally don't think it makes a huge amount of difference. I have ridden numerous American made frames that are heat treated before welding & a couple of Taiwanese frames that are heat treated after welding. The average person will not know. You cant feel any extra stiffness or flexing IMO. All the butting though! no, no, no! I know it saves weight (FRACTIONAL AMOUNTS!) Its thicker where its needed at the welding areas. Which i think is fine for flatland because they are the spots that take the stress but how many Flatlanders are gunna drop their frame on a rail down a 10 set? Straight Gauge Tubing for a Street frame is almost a must nowadays!

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Well i mean Seamus Mckeon drops some big gaps... Wonder if he even broke one? I think i myself would be perfectly fine on this frame because i really dont mess up many tricks at all, i am smooth, i like big drops, but i doubt itd break for those because i land smooth on those too. I still really really want it. haha

I am certainly not saying it wont work for a great number of people! But if you are a heavy grinder (I Love the BB Idea btw) I would cringe at the thought of dropping a double butted down tube onto a rail! I like the geometry, i like the groovy little features, but i myself think i couldn't trust the tubing. I think its light/fancy for the sake of being that way. Also it would've been cheaper with straight gauge tubing too!

Welding heat treated tubing creates softer spots in the tubing right next to the weld. The weld itself is stronger than the metal around it, if its a good weld, that is. I totally agree with straight guage tubing. If I could find a post weld heat treated straight guage frame, I'd be in heaven. It's still looking like the Soundwave will be my next frame. Just solid.