Nedd help to choose between 3 Kink frames

Why are you limiting yourself to just Kink? There are tons of options out there. The Backwoods still has a fairly short CS length if you slam the back wheel.

If you haven't ridden in 15 years then any bike you get is going to feel weird as you'll be learning everything all over again. Personally I'd get the Backwoods frame, especially if you're trying to run forks with a short offset and you don't want your bike to feel too twitchy.

Let me understand. You are more of a street rider and do mostly street tricks but want a trails set-up?
I'm stumped. Don't know of any frame that has that long of CS and that can accommodate a street rider. If you want to stick with Kink, I'd look into the Nathan WIlliams aftermarket frame. Like MostlyBowlDogg said, why limit yourself to just Kink? I can tell you Sunday just released a high end frame that is very mellow.

Also look into the We The People Revolver frame. Another top end frame that's mellow.
If you are also open to a complete, I can give you some really good recommendations, but one of the most important things is budget. You didn't tell us your budget.

Get the Hoffman Morgan wade frame. It's got a longer rear end. So does the cult Corey Walsh frame.

Do you have access to any bikes now? Friends or a bmx shop. Its hard to advise you without a current bike or a comfortable starting point.
At 5"7 and you wanting to ride mostly street, and only the options you listed, i would go with the contender. You could experiment on that frame with 13.25 slammed(25t) 13.37(26 or 28t) and if theres enough room 13.5(25t).
The cloud/backwoods with a 13.5-13.75 would be mostly ridden by the taller riders these days, or the guys who prefer it for transition and trails.

But like the other guys said, there are so many more options and other geometries available, front end, bb height etc

Hi Nedd

DanTheBikerMan wrote:

Hi Nedd

DanTheBikerMan wrote:

Hi Nedd

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He's asking Nedd for help choosing, not us.

My suggestion would be something like a cult dehart, subrosa wildchild (if they're still around), s&m atf, T1 skapegoat etc. Something middle of the road won't feel too twitchy and weird, but less cumbersome than mid school geo.
I say this because it's the geometry I like. I can't get used to modern street frames. But older or more trailsy geometry makes everything a lot of hard work.

Find something with a 20.75 tt, 11.6/11.7 BB, 13.3ish chainstays, 75° ha. Get longer offset forks (closer to what you'll remember, and will help offset the steeper head angles). Don't be set in stone about bar height/stem rise. Bear in mind bars were 8.5" (at most) 15 years ago, so consider a stem that's flippable (or won't look too shit if you flip it upside down). And I personally recommend a 28t sprocket. Purely because once you're used to it, you'll never want to go smaller.

Forget brand, go with whatever fits your ideal geometry. But also keep yourself open to dialing it in. Maybe pick up second hand parts so you won't lose money trading them or whatever. You'll only know what you like by trying different things.

I'm 41, ride mostly street, and ride a 21" fit S4 currently (because frames that tick every box are rare for me), 9" bars with a front load, and I'm 6'. I've tried plenty of different set ups, and starting from average, then dialing it in is the only way to find what works for you

What about a federal bruno frame:

Top Tube: 20.85" or 21"
Head Tube: 75.5°
Seat Tube: 71°
Chain Stay: 13.6" (slammed)
BB: 11.8"
Stand over: 9"

Or federal boyd frame:

Top Tube: 20.7", 21", 21.2" or 21.5"
Head Tube: 75.2°
Seat Tube: 71 degrees
Chain Stay: 13.4" (slammed)
BB: 11.7"
Stand over: 9"

Longer cs to lean on, mid/high bb for snapiness, 9" standover for stability.
With 32mm offset fork, it may suit your riding plans.
I've been considering a federal bruno setup with 32mm forks for all-around riding, mid-of-the road geometry.
Whatever suits you though 👍
Federal stuff is good quality, too.

There's the verde fides frame too. Underated geo in my opinion

Top Tube Length: 20.5”, 20.75”, 21”, or 21.25”
Chain Stay Length: 13.5”
Head Tube Angle: 75º
Seat Tube Angle: 71º
Bottom Bracket Height: 11.8”
Standover Height: 9”

Verde Fides Matt Cordova Signature BMX Frame – Verde Bikes
https://www.verdebikes.com/products/fides-frame

Backwoods is dope and would be the next reasonable progression if 2003 was the last build. chris doyle jayden mucha to name a couple who run this frame. then either steep headtube or short cs? dan coller vs travis hughes GO!

T1 Skapegoat

+3 on the skapegoat if there's even any still in stock. Really though, if you're set on kink, I'd go with the contender personally. I highly doubt you're gonna find it too twitchy or too long. it's a nice middle ground geo

To stay within the 3 Kink frames :
- Backwoods is more trail / transition oriented. You could of course ride it on the streets as it features some investment cast dropouts on the back, and external gussets on the front end.

- The Cloud is more "all around" but...IT'S BRAKELESS! You won't be able to fit any brake in the future.

- The Contender could fit perfectly in what you're looking for.

As mentionned by the other fellas, you can also pick other brands that will be as nice as Kink. As long as you have a rear end around 13.3 - 13.5" chainstays / 75° headtube (not too steep!) and a toptube between 20.5" / 20.75" depending on your preferences.

Lots of good options in here. I have a 21.25 backwoods and it feels significantly more responsive than my 21.25 T1 SFA did. If you’ve come from a Ruben and run modern parts it’d probably feel responsive enough. T1 skapegoat, federal boyd, federal DLX, Verde Fides, tall order 215 or similar are a little more “modern” but pretty middle of the road. There are other frames similar to the backwoods also if you’re not married to owning a Kink

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply, I'm pretty busy at work lately

@MostlyBowlDoggin: When I said that I didn't ride for the last 15 years, I meant I didn't ride like 8h every day I used to back in the days. I still rode on a regular base my BMX (before it has been stolen) or my 26" dirt bike.

@Vic707b: Dude, I know my English is not so good, but I don't know where you read I want a trail frame in my post. The only time I mentioned the word "trail" is when I talk about the Backwoods which has a slightly trail geometry. But whatever.
On another hand, I knew guys who were doing amazing tech street with DK General Lee or SOB frames lol. So it's more about era and rider preferences. Back in 2000s, we were not so geeky with our bikes, most of street frames had 14" and more CS. Take a look to famous frames like Hoffman Butcher or T1 Barcode specs lol.
Of course modern geometries with shorter CS seems better for street, but I think a ridiculous short 12.5" CS is more a question of hype than anything else.

@.pegless.: The nowadays rise of bars and stem make me uncomfortable. My last bar was an Odyssey Milk bar, something like 7.25" if I remember well, and a 7mm rise Demolition stem.
I consider to take the Cinema Martinez (top load) which is 22mm rise and 8mm when flipped (according to Source BMX store) or any front load. Do you think I should consider an 8.5" bar more than a 9" with my 5'7" size?
About the sprocket I have a 28t on my dirt bike, so I'll give a try.


It seems you guys do not like Kink so much lol.
Do they have a bad reputation about solidity, welding quality, etc...? Back in the days they were considered higth end as f###.

Of course I considered other brands/model. My 1st choice was T1 SKAPEGOAT (which geometry is very close to Kink Contender II). But It seems out of stock everywhere in French/European webshops at 20.75"/21" TT. Same for my 2nd choice S&M ATF.
The Fit Sleeper could be another option, but looks a bit too reactive with the 75.5° HT angle. (Source has only one left, 20.75").

In another hand, I only trust old north American brands (even if they are only designed there and made in Asia like Kink). It can sound stupid, but in my eyes, BMX is born in USA, not in Spain or Germany. (I do the same for snowboard btw).
Same for other parts, I go for most of them with old brands like Odyssey, Primo, Demolition.

The other thing is that Kink is not so expensive, and Source has great deals lately (For example the 22mm Brace crank is discounted at 119euros, same for the forks)



So, with all your reply and help, I think the Contender II will have my favor, even if I find the Backwoods a bit more sexy and old school lol.
And if I understand well, a 20.75" TT would be better for my size, right?

clt_b wrote:

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply, I'm pretty busy at work lately

@MostlyBowlDoggin: When I said that I didn't ride for the ...more

clt_b wrote:

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply, I'm pretty busy at work lately

@MostlyBowlDoggin: When I said that I didn't ride for the last 15 years, I meant I didn't ride like 8h every day I used to back in the days. I still rode on a regular base my BMX (before it has been stolen) or my 26" dirt bike.

@Vic707b: Dude, I know my English is not so good, but I don't know where you read I want a trail frame in my post. The only time I mentioned the word "trail" is when I talk about the Backwoods which has a slightly trail geometry. But whatever.
On another hand, I knew guys who were doing amazing tech street with DK General Lee or SOB frames lol. So it's more about era and rider preferences. Back in 2000s, we were not so geeky with our bikes, most of street frames had 14" and more CS. Take a look to famous frames like Hoffman Butcher or T1 Barcode specs lol.
Of course modern geometries with shorter CS seems better for street, but I think a ridiculous short 12.5" CS is more a question of hype than anything else.

@.pegless.: The nowadays rise of bars and stem make me uncomfortable. My last bar was an Odyssey Milk bar, something like 7.25" if I remember well, and a 7mm rise Demolition stem.
I consider to take the Cinema Martinez (top load) which is 22mm rise and 8mm when flipped (according to Source BMX store) or any front load. Do you think I should consider an 8.5" bar more than a 9" with my 5'7" size?
About the sprocket I have a 28t on my dirt bike, so I'll give a try.


It seems you guys do not like Kink so much lol.
Do they have a bad reputation about solidity, welding quality, etc...? Back in the days they were considered higth end as f###.

Of course I considered other brands/model. My 1st choice was T1 SKAPEGOAT (which geometry is very close to Kink Contender II). But It seems out of stock everywhere in French/European webshops at 20.75"/21" TT. Same for my 2nd choice S&M ATF.
The Fit Sleeper could be another option, but looks a bit too reactive with the 75.5° HT angle. (Source has only one left, 20.75").

In another hand, I only trust old north American brands (even if they are only designed there and made in Asia like Kink). It can sound stupid, but in my eyes, BMX is born in USA, not in Spain or Germany. (I do the same for snowboard btw).
Same for other parts, I go for most of them with old brands like Odyssey, Primo, Demolition.

The other thing is that Kink is not so expensive, and Source has great deals lately (For example the 22mm Brace crank is discounted at 119euros, same for the forks)



So, with all your reply and help, I think the Contender II will have my favor, even if I find the Backwoods a bit more sexy and old school lol.
And if I understand well, a 20.75" TT would be better for my size, right?

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Skapegoat 20.75" frames are instock in France :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadre-terrible-one-skapegoat-8353-6784.html

GREY/GREEN and RED OXIDE colorways.

Also some Kink frames :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadres-bmx-freestyle-race-118?q=Disponibilit%C3%A9-En+stock/Marque-KINK

Not sure how it didn't pop up on Google when typing "cadre terrible one skapegoat" as we are the second result behind T1 official website hahaha

clt_b wrote:

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply, I'm pretty busy at work lately

@MostlyBowlDoggin: When I said that I didn't ride for the ...more

clt_b wrote:

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply, I'm pretty busy at work lately

@MostlyBowlDoggin: When I said that I didn't ride for the last 15 years, I meant I didn't ride like 8h every day I used to back in the days. I still rode on a regular base my BMX (before it has been stolen) or my 26" dirt bike.

@Vic707b: Dude, I know my English is not so good, but I don't know where you read I want a trail frame in my post. The only time I mentioned the word "trail" is when I talk about the Backwoods which has a slightly trail geometry. But whatever.
On another hand, I knew guys who were doing amazing tech street with DK General Lee or SOB frames lol. So it's more about era and rider preferences. Back in 2000s, we were not so geeky with our bikes, most of street frames had 14" and more CS. Take a look to famous frames like Hoffman Butcher or T1 Barcode specs lol.
Of course modern geometries with shorter CS seems better for street, but I think a ridiculous short 12.5" CS is more a question of hype than anything else.

@.pegless.: The nowadays rise of bars and stem make me uncomfortable. My last bar was an Odyssey Milk bar, something like 7.25" if I remember well, and a 7mm rise Demolition stem.
I consider to take the Cinema Martinez (top load) which is 22mm rise and 8mm when flipped (according to Source BMX store) or any front load. Do you think I should consider an 8.5" bar more than a 9" with my 5'7" size?
About the sprocket I have a 28t on my dirt bike, so I'll give a try.


It seems you guys do not like Kink so much lol.
Do they have a bad reputation about solidity, welding quality, etc...? Back in the days they were considered higth end as f###.

Of course I considered other brands/model. My 1st choice was T1 SKAPEGOAT (which geometry is very close to Kink Contender II). But It seems out of stock everywhere in French/European webshops at 20.75"/21" TT. Same for my 2nd choice S&M ATF.
The Fit Sleeper could be another option, but looks a bit too reactive with the 75.5° HT angle. (Source has only one left, 20.75").

In another hand, I only trust old north American brands (even if they are only designed there and made in Asia like Kink). It can sound stupid, but in my eyes, BMX is born in USA, not in Spain or Germany. (I do the same for snowboard btw).
Same for other parts, I go for most of them with old brands like Odyssey, Primo, Demolition.

The other thing is that Kink is not so expensive, and Source has great deals lately (For example the 22mm Brace crank is discounted at 119euros, same for the forks)



So, with all your reply and help, I think the Contender II will have my favor, even if I find the Backwoods a bit more sexy and old school lol.
And if I understand well, a 20.75" TT would be better for my size, right?

...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

Skapegoat 20.75" frames are instock in France :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadre-terrible-one-skapegoat-8353-6784.html

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Unleaded BMX wrote:

Skapegoat 20.75" frames are instock in France :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadre-terrible-one-skapegoat-8353-6784.html

GREY/GREEN and RED OXIDE colorways.

Also some Kink frames :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadres-bmx-freestyle-race-118?q=Disponibilit%C3%A9-En+stock/Marque-KINK

Not sure how it didn't pop up on Google when typing "cadre terrible one skapegoat" as we are the second result behind T1 official website hahaha

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I saw you have the Skapegoat, but I searched black color, so I didn't realize you still have it in other colors.

As you have T1 and Kink, which one is the best quality? Is T1 still made in USA at S&M factory?
If the T1 quality is really better, no matter of color, at worst I'll paint it lol

clt_b wrote:

I saw you have the Skapegoat, but I searched black color, so I didn't realize you still have it in other colors.

As you have ...more

clt_b wrote:

I saw you have the Skapegoat, but I searched black color, so I didn't realize you still have it in other colors.

As you have T1 and Kink, which one is the best quality? Is T1 still made in USA at S&M factory?
If the T1 quality is really better, no matter of color, at worst I'll paint it lol

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The black ones sold out a few months ago, there is sadly no production date planned, so my guess is that there won't be any new production at least before the end of 2023...

Quality : It will be pretty similar as these frames are made in the same factory in Taïwan.
The Skapegoat has beefier tubing / gussets compare to the Backwoods.
But the Backwoods has beefier dropouts in my opinion (Investment cast, and slightly thicker).
The Skapeoat is more street/all-around oriented, which would suits you better in my opinion

T1 makes frame in the USA (SFA / Barcode for around 650€) and in Taïwan (Ruben / Skapegoat for around 400€).

I don't want to start with the "MaDe In 'MuRiCa iS BetTer" thing, but the price difference is mainly due to :
- Craftmanship cost
- Air shipping from the USA

And yes, the 3€ spray can could be an option We use to sell some weird colorway parts + free spray can a few years ago

Unleaded BMX wrote:

Skapegoat 20.75" frames are instock in France :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadre-terrible-one-skapegoat-8353-6784.html

...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

Skapegoat 20.75" frames are instock in France :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadre-terrible-one-skapegoat-8353-6784.html

GREY/GREEN and RED OXIDE colorways.

Also some Kink frames :

https://www.unleadedbmx.com/fr/cadres-bmx-freestyle-race-118?q=Disponibilit%C3%A9-En+stock/Marque-KINK

Not sure how it didn't pop up on Google when typing "cadre terrible one skapegoat" as we are the second result behind T1 official website hahaha

...more

clt_b wrote:

I saw you have the Skapegoat, but I searched black color, so I didn't realize you still have it in other colors.

As you have ...more

clt_b wrote:

I saw you have the Skapegoat, but I searched black color, so I didn't realize you still have it in other colors.

As you have T1 and Kink, which one is the best quality? Is T1 still made in USA at S&M factory?
If the T1 quality is really better, no matter of color, at worst I'll paint it lol

...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

The black ones sold out a few months ago, there is sadly no production date planned, so my guess is that there won't be any ...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

The black ones sold out a few months ago, there is sadly no production date planned, so my guess is that there won't be any new production at least before the end of 2023...

Quality : It will be pretty similar as these frames are made in the same factory in Taïwan.
The Skapegoat has beefier tubing / gussets compare to the Backwoods.
But the Backwoods has beefier dropouts in my opinion (Investment cast, and slightly thicker).
The Skapeoat is more street/all-around oriented, which would suits you better in my opinion

T1 makes frame in the USA (SFA / Barcode for around 650€) and in Taïwan (Ruben / Skapegoat for around 400€).

I don't want to start with the "MaDe In 'MuRiCa iS BetTer" thing, but the price difference is mainly due to :
- Craftmanship cost
- Air shipping from the USA

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Yeah I know the made in Asia quality had incredibly leveled up and meets the American standards for years. It's more as a (old man's) principle lol.

What do you think is more important and durable: Beefier tubing and CS wishbone or beefier dropouts?

I'm now more interested by Contender than Backwoods actually, the only thing I don't like is the seatstay bridge. I really trust a good old fashion tube more than the fancy wrestling belt thing.

PS: I work in an independent outdoor sports shop, and jeez, bike and parts production is a pain in the a##. Even Shimano plans common parts delivery for mid/late 2023, if not early 2024.

clt_b wrote:

Yeah I know the made in Asia quality had incredibly leveled up and meets the American standards for years. It's more as a (old ...more

clt_b wrote:

Yeah I know the made in Asia quality had incredibly leveled up and meets the American standards for years. It's more as a (old man's) principle lol.

What do you think is more important and durable: Beefier tubing and CS wishbone or beefier dropouts?

I'm now more interested by Contender than Backwoods actually, the only thing I don't like is the seatstay bridge. I really trust a good old fashion tube more than the fancy wrestling belt thing.

PS: I work in an independent outdoor sports shop, and jeez, bike and parts production is a pain in the a##. Even Shimano plans common parts delivery for mid/late 2023, if not early 2024.

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The Skapegoat will certainly be more durable considering the bigger tubing used.
If you're 43 yo, I doubt you will do crazy grind, so the Skapegoat dropouts will held up fine. In most cases, you won't have any problem with dropouts as long as you don't grind on the dropout itself.

I shipped the last Contender 21" Black yesterday tho, not sure when will be the next arrival as a new distributor will be taking care of Kink.

PS : Yeah, the industry is a mess at the moment, we had a lot of demands last year with the Covid / confinement, so shops pre-ordered a lot, but now that everything is manufactured and arrived instore, the demand disappeared and people don't want to spend money on bikes...so pay attention to pre-orders...

Unleaded BMX wrote:

The black ones sold out a few months ago, there is sadly no production date planned, so my guess is that there won't be any ...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

The black ones sold out a few months ago, there is sadly no production date planned, so my guess is that there won't be any new production at least before the end of 2023...

Quality : It will be pretty similar as these frames are made in the same factory in Taïwan.
The Skapegoat has beefier tubing / gussets compare to the Backwoods.
But the Backwoods has beefier dropouts in my opinion (Investment cast, and slightly thicker).
The Skapeoat is more street/all-around oriented, which would suits you better in my opinion

T1 makes frame in the USA (SFA / Barcode for around 650€) and in Taïwan (Ruben / Skapegoat for around 400€).

I don't want to start with the "MaDe In 'MuRiCa iS BetTer" thing, but the price difference is mainly due to :
- Craftmanship cost
- Air shipping from the USA

...more

clt_b wrote:

Yeah I know the made in Asia quality had incredibly leveled up and meets the American standards for years. It's more as a (old ...more

clt_b wrote:

Yeah I know the made in Asia quality had incredibly leveled up and meets the American standards for years. It's more as a (old man's) principle lol.

What do you think is more important and durable: Beefier tubing and CS wishbone or beefier dropouts?

I'm now more interested by Contender than Backwoods actually, the only thing I don't like is the seatstay bridge. I really trust a good old fashion tube more than the fancy wrestling belt thing.

PS: I work in an independent outdoor sports shop, and jeez, bike and parts production is a pain in the a##. Even Shimano plans common parts delivery for mid/late 2023, if not early 2024.

...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

The Skapegoat will certainly be more durable considering the bigger tubing used.
If you're 43 yo, I doubt you will do crazy ...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

The Skapegoat will certainly be more durable considering the bigger tubing used.
If you're 43 yo, I doubt you will do crazy grind, so the Skapegoat dropouts will held up fine. In most cases, you won't have any problem with dropouts as long as you don't grind on the dropout itself.

I shipped the last Contender 21" Black yesterday tho, not sure when will be the next arrival as a new distributor will be taking care of Kink.

PS : Yeah, the industry is a mess at the moment, we had a lot of demands last year with the Covid / confinement, so shops pre-ordered a lot, but now that everything is manufactured and arrived instore, the demand disappeared and people don't want to spend money on bikes...so pay attention to pre-orders...

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Actually, grinds are my daily basis tricks I definitively suck on aerial moves, and my knees don't allow me to do huge gaps anymore...
So I stick to big bunnies, tons of grinds, 180, manuals and barspins.

Anyway, thanks a lot for all the pieces of information!
I think I'll post a kind of bike check before I'll purchase everything soon!

All right, so I figure out the new setup.


Frame: Kink Contender II 20.75" (black)

Fork: Kink Foundation 32mm (black)
Stem: Cinema Martinez or Kink Track (chrome)
Handlebar: Kink Wolf (8.5") or Kink Human (8.75") or anything below 9" (chrome)
Grips: Primo Cali
Headset: Odyssey Pro Integrated (black)
Fork TopCap: Kink M24 (black)

Crancks: Kink Brace 22 170mm (chrome)
Sprocket: Profile BlackJack 25t
Pedals: Eclat Contra (black)
Chain: Primo 121 Half Links (chrome)
BB: Odyssey Mid BB (black)

Seat Post: Cinema Stealth Post (chrome)
Seat: Cinema Waxed Fat (black)

Front Wheel:
Hub: Primo N4FL V2 front hub or Odyssey Vander Pro (black)
Rim: Primo VS 7005 (black)
Spokes: Odyssey (black)
Tire: S&M Speedball 2.4 or Odyssey Path Pro 2.4 (black)
Tube: Odyssey

Rear Wheel: Complete wheel Primo VS 7005 x Balance Freecoaster (black)
Tire: S&M Speedball 2.4 (or 2.1?) or Odyssey Path Pro 2.4 (black)
Tube: Odyssey

Pegs: Cinema C4 Plastic


What do you think of it guys?

Might just be me but I scrolled through the kink site on their aftermarket frames page , seems to me none of they’re frames are heat treated. Makes sense now when I see them all the time at a lower price than allot of aftermarket frames.

eskimojay wrote:

Might just be me but I scrolled through the kink site on their aftermarket frames page , seems to me none of they’re frames ...more

eskimojay wrote:

Might just be me but I scrolled through the kink site on their aftermarket frames page , seems to me none of they’re frames are heat treated. Makes sense now when I see them all the time at a lower price than allot of aftermarket frames.

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Well, let's look at a few other co's...WTP states their ht, bb, and drops are ht, but not the tubing.
S&m does mention Q baked and it's only on their drops.

Sunday has their 41 thermal, but do they do the process to the entire frame?

Seems like it's typical to just do the drops, bb and ht.

eskimojay wrote:

Might just be me but I scrolled through the kink site on their aftermarket frames page , seems to me none of they’re frames ...more

eskimojay wrote:

Might just be me but I scrolled through the kink site on their aftermarket frames page , seems to me none of they’re frames are heat treated. Makes sense now when I see them all the time at a lower price than allot of aftermarket frames.

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Actually I think all of their aftermarket parts are post weld heat treated...

They no longer mention it, but the headtube, BB and dropouts should be heat-treated.

Except maybe for the Cloud (cheapest model).

I wouldn't take the screenshot as a proof, they used to fully heat treat some frames in the past, but it's no longer the case (as the TruTherm branding would be used in their specs)

clt_b wrote:

All right, so I figure out the new setup.


Frame: Kink Contender II 20.75" (black)

Fork: Kink Foundation 32mm (black)
Stem: ...more

clt_b wrote:

All right, so I figure out the new setup.


Frame: Kink Contender II 20.75" (black)

Fork: Kink Foundation 32mm (black)
Stem: Cinema Martinez or Kink Track (chrome)
Handlebar: Kink Wolf (8.5") or Kink Human (8.75") or anything below 9" (chrome)
Grips: Primo Cali
Headset: Odyssey Pro Integrated (black)
Fork TopCap: Kink M24 (black)

Crancks: Kink Brace 22 170mm (chrome)
Sprocket: Profile BlackJack 25t
Pedals: Eclat Contra (black)
Chain: Primo 121 Half Links (chrome)
BB: Odyssey Mid BB (black)

Seat Post: Cinema Stealth Post (chrome)
Seat: Cinema Waxed Fat (black)

Front Wheel:
Hub: Primo N4FL V2 front hub or Odyssey Vander Pro (black)
Rim: Primo VS 7005 (black)
Spokes: Odyssey (black)
Tire: S&M Speedball 2.4 or Odyssey Path Pro 2.4 (black)
Tube: Odyssey

Rear Wheel: Complete wheel Primo VS 7005 x Balance Freecoaster (black)
Tire: S&M Speedball 2.4 (or 2.1?) or Odyssey Path Pro 2.4 (black)
Tube: Odyssey

Pegs: Cinema C4 Plastic


What do you think of it guys?

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Take the Primo Balance front hub to match with the rear one...

The Balance is almost half the price of the N4FL, the only big difference is the hubshell shape..beside that it's the same bearings, female chromoly axle, hubguards included.

Also, the fork top cap is included with the fork, no need to buy it separately.

And check the PRIMO VS2 rims too

Unleaded BMX wrote:

They no longer mention it, but the headtube, BB and dropouts should be heat-treated.

Except maybe for the Cloud (cheapest ...more

Unleaded BMX wrote:

They no longer mention it, but the headtube, BB and dropouts should be heat-treated.

Except maybe for the Cloud (cheapest model).

I wouldn't take the screenshot as a proof, they used to fully heat treat some frames in the past, but it's no longer the case (as the TruTherm branding would be used in their specs)

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That screenshot was taken yesterday, take a look at their newest model forks or bars, they mention Tru Them on everything but the frames, and I'll wager that's an oversight.