Now that we all have a good idea of who makes what frame, we can now rule out that....
S&M, FBM, CULT BAD BOY, CULT Deathrow, Maybe BSD, HYPER, FIT, T1, FLY, Some WTP Are the best quality made...
The rest of the company's frames could be good or bad, not knowing the exact location for each companies frame builders, we can't come to a full conclusion of which frames should be avoided... We know Stolen are shit for parts but make some 'OK' frames, my friends sinner lasted a long time and he's rough on bikes... My CULT OS died within a year, bent chainstays...
I know BSD do some special shit to their frames so i don't think they are avoidable, because my frame has tappered tubing, top and bottom guessets, CNC machined headtube with a flush intergrated mounts, all the welds are welded with precision and care...
We need to make a list of frames to rule out completely, I think in my opinion:
Buy colony if you're on a tight timeline to make a bike, or desperate, but never to make a solid build, ruled out.
THUMBS UP TO BUY WITHOUT QUESTION:
Total, Good... Haven't heard anything bad yet, not ruled out.
United, Decent, Haven't heard anything terrible, not ruled out.
Federal, Heard their freecoasters are shitty, but frames are good, not ruled out.
Fly, Should be ok if you're on a tight timeline or desperate, not ruled out.
Hyper, Excellent, seeing though they are made USA, not ruled out.
WTP, I know they have special tubing and compounds to make frames stronger, not ruled out.
FIT, The wi-fi hit strong and everybody believes they are strong, not ruled out.
S&M, very good, but pricey... worth the pricing?
FBM, very good, also pricey, not sure if it's worth the price?
Failure, haven't heard much about them yet, not ruled out.
Subrosa, heard they make sweet frames, haven't heard too bad about them besides some parts, not ruled out.
MirraCo? Not sure about MirraCo, they have a good team so they must not be too shitty...
Undecided:
T1
The Set
Fiend
AVOID:
Amity.
Stolen.
DK.
Mankind.
We need to add more to these lists, I will never buy amity, stolen, dk or mankind... as i know they don't have the best rep... I'm unsure about the set, t1 or fiend, my mate has The Set Blackout frame and it seems weak in the rear, ill let you guys know...
Anybody else like to add to the discussion of company frames to void? Parts aren't that bad to avoid... but frames are a structured component and we all need to know what we should really avoid rather than just being a trend whore