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10/12/2017 8:49 PM

So I've decided that I want to make a bmx company. It will probably be called Christ bikes (I'm a Christian so...) and just starting will most likely be really hard.but I was wondering what kind of parts you guys would like to see (other than old school. Nothing against it, I just like the modern style more). What ever part I make it will be made in China until I can start to afford it. And what ever part I make will also need to be something that every body wants or needs. It will most likely be just one or two different parts. Also my company will be going for more of a street look and feel than park. Any feed back would be great thanks.

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10/12/2017 9:39 PM

Do you even need us to tell you this is a bad idea?

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10/12/2017 9:54 PM

Will_Foxhall wrote:

So I've decided that I want to make a bmx company. It will probably be called Christ bikes (I'm a Christian so...) and just starting will most likely be really hard.but I was wondering what kind of parts you guys would like to see (other than old school. Nothing against it, I just like the modern style more). What ever part I make it will be made in China until I can start to afford it. And what ever part I make will also need to be something that every body wants or needs. It will most likely be just one or two different parts. Also my company will be going for more of a street look and feel than park. Any feed back would be great thanks.

7075 t6 aluminum sprockets 23t and 24t.

Thats what I want.

Really nice quality and no crazy design that Im gonna regret like a bad tattoo...lol

Maybe some really nice pedals.

My suggestion would be to start out with high wear parts. Things like stems and bars get switched out a lot but not usually because they are broken. Those parts are switched out by people that have the funds to be somewhat frivolous (myself included). The high wear parts are bought by all riders, all types of bank accounts, out of necessity.

Dont try to make a huge profit and just break even and get your name out there at first. Being that you are christian would probably create a good market for you as there are many christians in America.

Pedals, grips, sprockets, seats, pegs, axle nuts, bar ends etc. Would be a good place to start imo.

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10/12/2017 10:03 PM

The minimums required when ordering parts from China are incredibly high, making it very expensive. Just FYI.

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10/12/2017 10:55 PM

Everything's been done. If you can't find something, you're not looking hard enough.
As someone who has already started a small bmx company, I can tell you it's not easy, and it's not cheap. My sprockets are UK made, moq was only 50 so it wasn't too bad, but if I want to make a living out of it I'd have to sell one sprocket a day at least. And I've only got 40ish left, so that's just over a months wage then I'm out of stock. And they're only one size, so to have 2 sizes available I'd have to order another 50. Then I'm out of pocket and have 90 sprockets to try to sell. I'll have more sprockets and a couple of other bits soon, and I'm going to up the rrp and see if some shops will stock em. But then my mark up is even smaller.

You need to find good riders that are willing to be "on the team", just some kid who's pretty good at your local park won't cut it (because there's good kids at every skatepark, you need people with personality, plenty of people can do tricks)

The mark up on parts is small. There's a much bigger mark up on t shirts, but everyone already does that. And having parts made in China will it put people off. After shipping they won't be much cheaper than getting parts made in the US.

I'm not trying to put you off, just giving some words of warning

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10/13/2017 12:51 AM

Will_Foxhall wrote:

So I've decided that I want to make a bmx company. It will probably be called Christ bikes (I'm a Christian so...) and just starting will most likely be really hard.but I was wondering what kind of parts you guys would like to see (other than old school. Nothing against it, I just like the modern style more). What ever part I make it will be made in China until I can start to afford it. And what ever part I make will also need to be something that every body wants or needs. It will most likely be just one or two different parts. Also my company will be going for more of a street look and feel than park. Any feed back would be great thanks.

I want heat treated, spline drive, cromoly sprockets and top load stems.
Make that and I'm sold!

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10/13/2017 8:44 AM

Will_Foxhall wrote:

So I've decided that I want to make a bmx company. It will probably be called Christ bikes (I'm a Christian so...) and just starting will most likely be really hard.but I was wondering what kind of parts you guys would like to see (other than old school. Nothing against it, I just like the modern style more). What ever part I make it will be made in China until I can start to afford it. And what ever part I make will also need to be something that every body wants or needs. It will most likely be just one or two different parts. Also my company will be going for more of a street look and feel than park. Any feed back would be great thanks.

Try not to go too hard on the christian image, it might make people think the product isn't "cool". You have to make parts other brands don't make. I haven't seen a brand that sells cheap and expensive stuff at the same time. So you could do that. Be like rant and odyssey combined. You have to innovate in this industry. Everyone will say it's a bad idea, but there will always be downers on your idea, you just have to prove them all wrong. But don't listen to me too much, i'm only 15 with no idea how businesses work.

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10/13/2017 9:13 AM

I wouldn't buy anything from your company simply based on the name alone...

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10/13/2017 9:34 AM

I would name is something using foreign languages. Like latin or greek. Like subrosa, meaning under the rose, meaning secrecy. I think that's really cool.

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10/13/2017 10:01 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/13/2017 10:05 AM

pnj wrote:

I wouldn't buy anything from your company simply based on the name alone...

That's dumb.

But, if that is a concern to the original post....

How about "Sanctus" (Latin for "Holy")

Or "Gratia" (Latin for "Grace")

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10/13/2017 11:09 AM

I would look into parts that are cheap to make-bar ends, grips, maybe pedals, plastic hub guards, pegs and so on.

Good luck sir. You will need to make something that makes your brand stand out-right now most brands parts look the same. Take a sticker off a frame, and there are 20 brands it COULD be.

Do something different with your designs.

I am sick and tired of the "cliques" that this sport has recently developed. We should embrace the fact that we all ride a little kids bike, and not worry about the small details. When you take riding in its most basic form, we are all the same.

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10/13/2017 12:32 PM

I really like the ideas that you guys have gave me. I understand that some people aren't going to by my stuff just because it's Christian. The name will still be christ bikes, I'm not worried about people not liking the name. When ever it all comes to be my stuff will probably sold on amazon and ebay. I still need to get logo designs down and a Web site. Also wondering if anyone kows of good 3D editors for free?

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10/13/2017 12:41 PM
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I'm actually a member of the satanic temple and I think that it would be a mistake to do what you are saying. It seens like by doing so you may turn away new business due to ones personal beliefs, may turn away a lot of business imo, its better to keep business and religion seperate as most religious business seek tax breaks which is unfair to the working class. I also would like to know as a person who owns his own business how you will bank roll this as I do minor importing exporting of lubes and other products and its an extremely costly endeavor, not to mention insurance and overhead. Seems like a great way to blow all your savings and tank in a year..... Are you over the age of 21 even to legally make any of this happen? PS manufacturing is huge money nowadays, most companies are able to get into production but are unable to afford the cost of the manufacturer when bringing it to market. Maybe start an etsy store until you get a bit bigger, seems a perfect place to move small parts/ t-shirts.

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10/13/2017 12:50 PM

Will_Foxhall wrote:

I really like the ideas that you guys have gave me. I understand that some people aren't going to by my stuff just because it's Christian. The name will still be christ bikes, I'm not worried about people not liking the name. When ever it all comes to be my stuff will probably sold on amazon and ebay. I still need to get logo designs down and a Web site. Also wondering if anyone kows of good 3D editors for free?

By the way, I wasn't saying you name is dumb. I was saying "that's dumb" to the person who said they wouldn't buy your stuff because of the name,

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10/13/2017 12:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/13/2017 12:51 PM

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I'm actually a member of the satanic temple and I think that it would be a mistake to do what you are saying. It seens like by doing so you may turn away new business due to ones personal beliefs, may turn away a lot of business imo, its better to keep business and religion seperate as most religious business seek tax breaks which is unfair to the working class. I also would like to know as a person who owns his own business how you will bank roll this as I do minor importing exporting of lubes and other products and its an extremely costly endeavor, not to mention insurance and overhead. Seems like a great way to blow all your savings and tank in a year..... Are you over the age of 21 even to legally make any of this happen? PS manufacturing is huge money nowadays, most companies are able to get into production but are unable to afford the cost of the manufacturer when bringing it to market. Maybe start an etsy store until you get a bit bigger, seems a perfect place to move small parts/ t-shirts.

"I'm actually a member of the satanic temple..."

Are you being serious or having a laugh? It's so hard to tell in text form.

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10/13/2017 1:07 PM
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Not a joke. We are everywhere, as are Muslims, Christians and countless other religious groups. You type in website, fill out membership and click join. you can look at the FAQ on the TST site if you wish. And I'm legitimately wanting to hear his answers on the business stuff, wish him the best and hope the etsy store starts to generate cash and mostly for all of us I just hope he registers it as a business and pays his taxes like the rest of us...

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10/13/2017 1:45 PM

Will_Foxhall wrote:

So I've decided that I want to make a bmx company. It will probably be called Christ bikes (I'm a Christian so...) and just starting will most likely be really hard.but I was wondering what kind of parts you guys would like to see (other than old school. Nothing against it, I just like the modern style more). What ever part I make it will be made in China until I can start to afford it. And what ever part I make will also need to be something that every body wants or needs. It will most likely be just one or two different parts. Also my company will be going for more of a street look and feel than park. Any feed back would be great thanks.

Anthony Loves Subrosa wrote:

Try not to go too hard on the christian image, it might make people think the product isn't "cool". You have to make parts other brands don't make. I haven't seen a brand that sells cheap and expensive stuff at the same time. So you could do that. Be like rant and odyssey combined. You have to innovate in this industry. Everyone will say it's a bad idea, but there will always be downers on your idea, you just have to prove them all wrong. But don't listen to me too much, i'm only 15 with no idea how businesses work.

Rant, shadow conspiracy and subrosa are the same company.

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10/13/2017 10:48 PM

pnj wrote:

I wouldn't buy anything from your company simply based on the name alone...

Mishinn_Control wrote:

That's dumb.

But, if that is a concern to the original post....

How about "Sanctus" (Latin for "Holy")

Or "Gratia" (Latin for "Grace")

It's not dumb at all. I wouldn't buy those parts either. I don't care what others beliefs are. But I'm very anti organised religion. It brings nothing but segregation and hate. And let's face it, bmx brands rely on image more than anything. Riders can snap parts made by their favourite brand but still think they're the best. There's plenty of brands that have been around for ages who's parts I wouldn't use because of there association to something I don't agree with.

Unless these parts are really cheap (to under cut every other company out there, including the other budget brands), I can't see them selling. Literally only a couple of other companies have parts made in China, for a good reason. Cheaply made parts aren't good.

Now, if you were to plough a load of money into it, and have parts made in the US, then there might be a following. Good quality parts speak for themselves.

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10/16/2017 8:41 PM

grumpySteve wrote:

Everything's been done. If you can't find something, you're not looking hard enough.
As someone who has already started a small bmx company, I can tell you it's not easy, and it's not cheap. My sprockets are UK made, moq was only 50 so it wasn't too bad, but if I want to make a living out of it I'd have to sell one sprocket a day at least. And I've only got 40ish left, so that's just over a months wage then I'm out of stock. And they're only one size, so to have 2 sizes available I'd have to order another 50. Then I'm out of pocket and have 90 sprockets to try to sell. I'll have more sprockets and a couple of other bits soon, and I'm going to up the rrp and see if some shops will stock em. But then my mark up is even smaller.

You need to find good riders that are willing to be "on the team", just some kid who's pretty good at your local park won't cut it (because there's good kids at every skatepark, you need people with personality, plenty of people can do tricks)

The mark up on parts is small. There's a much bigger mark up on t shirts, but everyone already does that. And having parts made in China will it put people off. After shipping they won't be much cheaper than getting parts made in the US.

I'm not trying to put you off, just giving some words of warning

Not everything has been done! I got some ideas that I have yet to see be done.

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10/16/2017 8:42 PM

Not everything has been done! I got some ideas that I have yet to see on the market.

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10/16/2017 9:47 PM

Nope,
Mac beat you too it...

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10/16/2017 9:49 PM

BcBMX80 wrote:

Nope,
Mac beat you too it...

Damn...

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10/16/2017 10:18 PM

That episode is epic, I believe the bike is called the asspounder 4000...

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10/17/2017 5:58 AM

I think the idea of calling it Sanctus or something that is less direct is better...plus Sanctus sounds cool. I still could not imagine diving into the already super-saturated sea of BMX stuff though. At one point in my life, I toyed with starting a drum company...but why even bother? There was nothing i could offer without it being cost-destructive to me - especially in the beginning - that isn't already out there...

I do think that the religious bent would be off-putting to some, but there also might be a demographic of Christian kids to identify with that product. You would have to study where to market it..like the rural South for sure. Texas... Maybe set up some jams at churches to see where the interest lies, or get in contact with Youth Groups. It might be a better idea to possibly start some kind of riding organization or something like that instead... getting kids into BMX as a positive activity. You might do better to start a bike co-op at first...restore older bikes, teach people how to do wrench; get them out into the community to get people riding...then see what the demand is.

I am animist myself (most call it Pagan), and don't really have anything against Christians, except for when they blindly judge others...but I hate it when ANY religion does that...even my own.

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10/17/2017 6:11 AM

grumpySteve wrote:

Everything's been done. If you can't find something, you're not looking hard enough.
As someone who has already started a small bmx company, I can tell you it's not easy, and it's not cheap. My sprockets are UK made, moq was only 50 so it wasn't too bad, but if I want to make a living out of it I'd have to sell one sprocket a day at least. And I've only got 40ish left, so that's just over a months wage then I'm out of stock. And they're only one size, so to have 2 sizes available I'd have to order another 50. Then I'm out of pocket and have 90 sprockets to try to sell. I'll have more sprockets and a couple of other bits soon, and I'm going to up the rrp and see if some shops will stock em. But then my mark up is even smaller.

You need to find good riders that are willing to be "on the team", just some kid who's pretty good at your local park won't cut it (because there's good kids at every skatepark, you need people with personality, plenty of people can do tricks)

The mark up on parts is small. There's a much bigger mark up on t shirts, but everyone already does that. And having parts made in China will it put people off. After shipping they won't be much cheaper than getting parts made in the US.

I'm not trying to put you off, just giving some words of warning

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10/17/2017 6:35 AM

grumpySteve wrote:

It's not dumb at all. I wouldn't buy those parts either. I don't care what others beliefs are. But I'm very anti organised religion. It brings nothing but segregation and hate. And let's face it, bmx brands rely on image more than anything. Riders can snap parts made by their favourite brand but still think they're the best. There's plenty of brands that have been around for ages who's parts I wouldn't use because of there association to something I don't agree with.

Unless these parts are really cheap (to under cut every other company out there, including the other budget brands), I can't see them selling. Literally only a couple of other companies have parts made in China, for a good reason. Cheaply made parts aren't good.

Now, if you were to plough a load of money into it, and have parts made in the US, then there might be a following. Good quality parts speak for themselves.

I find it dumb that anyone would not buy something if it were the best quality, best priced & best everything you could get, solely based on your hangup on the name. It's akin to not liking a band because of their name, even though you love their music.

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10/17/2017 7:07 AM

Its nothing to do with name its the religious aspect that people do not wantto support. I'm pretty sure young will has flown the coupe long ago my friends...

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10/17/2017 7:34 AM
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BcBMX80 wrote:

Its nothing to do with name its the religious aspect that people do not wantto support. I'm pretty sure young will has flown the coupe long ago my friends...

Not to say I will be here forever (who really knows?) but I hate the "fly by night" members who sign up to ask one or two questions (usually "what's t he best BMX bike for a beginner?") & then you never see or hear from them ever again.

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10/17/2017 8:09 AM
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I'm pretty certain he was very young and probably was scared off by all us atheists....

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10/17/2017 8:40 AM

I don’t trust christians or any religious people for that matter , just a bunch of scam artists getting things tax free from the government through their church , it’s time to start taxing church’s