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4/21/2017 12:43 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/21/2017 12:44 AM

Wow, feel like I haven't posted here in a long time. I've been in lurk mode.

So I'll get straight to it.

If you could make one change in regards to BMX parts/products what would it be?

This can include price, sizing, colours, geometry, availability etc.

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4/21/2017 1:32 AM

I wish fbm was more readily available in the UK, and I wish the exchange rate/economy didn't suck.

Brand new frame by a few other brands is around £200, brand new fbm frame if you can find one is £480.

I just ordered some fbm cb4k's from France (because non were made available in the UK), and including shipping they cost less than the retail price would've been here

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4/21/2017 1:52 AM

grumpySteve wrote:

I wish fbm was more readily available in the UK, and I wish the exchange rate/economy didn't suck.

Brand new frame by a few other brands is around £200, brand new fbm frame if you can find one is £480.

I just ordered some fbm cb4k's from France (because non were made available in the UK), and including shipping they cost less than the retail price would've been here

Completely agree with you on American made pricing, but that's one of the drawbacks of purchasing an American made frame here in the UK, The trade price is identical to a Taiwan made frame.

What is it you like so much about the FBM products?

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4/21/2017 1:53 AM

I would love to see more split cap stems on the market. I'm a sucker for those but there's so few available nowadays.

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4/21/2017 2:01 AM

GCBMX69 wrote:

I would love to see more split cap stems on the market. I'm a sucker for those but there's so few available nowadays.

Like the old Coalition stem?

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4/21/2017 2:17 AM

GCBMX69 wrote:

I would love to see more split cap stems on the market. I'm a sucker for those but there's so few available nowadays.

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Like the old Coalition stem?

Especially front loader ones like that

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4/21/2017 2:56 AM

grumpySteve wrote:

I wish fbm was more readily available in the UK, and I wish the exchange rate/economy didn't suck.

Brand new frame by a few other brands is around £200, brand new fbm frame if you can find one is £480.

I just ordered some fbm cb4k's from France (because non were made available in the UK), and including shipping they cost less than the retail price would've been here

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Completely agree with you on American made pricing, but that's one of the drawbacks of purchasing an American made frame here in the UK, The trade price is identical to a Taiwan made frame.

What is it you like so much about the FBM products?

I like the build quality and the aesthetic of what they make. But I also love the fact they post pics almost daily of co owners actually riding, and the manufacture of their frames and parts. Plus it seems like they're the only punk/diy brand that's still around. I feel more pride when I use their stuff, knowing Johnny corts is a badass rider, and he's had a part in the manufacture of what I'm riding. And knowing I'm helping put dinner on his table, or diesel in the tour bus.
Plus they do so much for bmx, all the jams and stuff they hold. And they don't take riding too seriously, always doing something fun. And hooking up locals wherever they go.

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4/21/2017 11:49 AM

GCBMX69 wrote:

I would love to see more split cap stems on the market. I'm a sucker for those but there's so few available nowadays.

the late 2000s have come and gone man, dont think many people will be manufacturing those anymore.

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4/21/2017 11:53 AM

48 spoke wheels should come back, at least in the back.

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4/21/2017 4:09 PM

Super-Pawl wrote:

48 spoke wheels should come back, at least in the back.

Why?

As far as I can tell, there's no need for them. Get a good set of 36s and you'll have no problems. 36s are more than enough for 99% of riders out there, especially when the wheels are built well by somebody who knows what they're doing.

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4/21/2017 4:15 PM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Wow, feel like I haven't posted here in a long time. I've been in lurk mode.

So I'll get straight to it.

If you could make one change in regards to BMX parts/products what would it be?

This can include price, sizing, colours, geometry, availability etc.

I'd make the stems and hub bodies out of steel
And the clamping area on the bars to be full :D

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4/21/2017 4:56 PM

am-shaegar wrote:

I'd make the stems and hub bodies out of steel
And the clamping area on the bars to be full :D

I hope you're kidding....

Aluminium works brilliantly in both of those applications and it's about 2-3 times less weight. Why would you change it?

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4/21/2017 5:34 PM

Take away the internet. Like removal of social media and YouTube etc . Possibly the worst thing to happen to whatever you love....

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4/21/2017 7:17 PM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Wow, feel like I haven't posted here in a long time. I've been in lurk mode.

So I'll get straight to it.

If you could make one change in regards to BMX parts/products what would it be?

This can include price, sizing, colours, geometry, availability etc.

am-shaegar wrote:

I'd make the stems and hub bodies out of steel
And the clamping area on the bars to be full :D

If stems were steel then they'd never grip chromoly bars...there's a reason they're made from a softer metal.

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4/21/2017 7:19 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/21/2017 7:20 PM

Super-Pawl wrote:

48 spoke wheels should come back, at least in the back.

p1p1092 wrote:

Why?

As far as I can tell, there's no need for them. Get a good set of 36s and you'll have no problems. 36s are more than enough for 99% of riders out there, especially when the wheels are built well by somebody who knows what they're doing.

Theyre badass, dont add much weight, and take away some flex. My 48h back wheel feels bombproof and I land sketchy all the time. I guess they arent so necessary because I agree, 36 is enough and modern rims are awesome. But 48s are definitely cool

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4/21/2017 7:22 PM
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BcBMX80 wrote:

Take away the internet. Like removal of social media and YouTube etc . Possibly the worst thing to happen to whatever you love....

Theres good and bad that comes with it. I have no shortage of stuff to watch but there's also a lot of pointless bullshit. Anyone can put themselves out there and I think that's cool

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4/21/2017 8:22 PM

Get rid of Nigel Sylvester... Oh parts & products you mean.

I can't really think of much off the top of my head.
Probably universalize some things. I get there's a reason for BB shells to be different widths, but it's always annoying when you get a bottom bracket and your internal spacer is too long or too short for your BB shell.

Also hub guards would be nice. My Daily Grind guards fit my BSD hub perfectly, and they fit my Shadow hub too but the ends of the axle are shorter than the BSDs were, so the guards only sit on the axle about 3/4 of the way and I just don't like that. Again, I get there's reasons for different width shells & such, but more compatibility is always nice.

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4/21/2017 8:40 PM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Wow, feel like I haven't posted here in a long time. I've been in lurk mode.

So I'll get straight to it.

If you could make one change in regards to BMX parts/products what would it be?

This can include price, sizing, colours, geometry, availability etc.

Price of parts.

At 42, I have watched how many parts are made. And also know what the cost of material is for many parts. To CNC a stem from a block of aluminum , keeping in mind most companies have 3+ being cut at the same time from the same block. It comes to say $20 including being polished, add $1-2 for color except Oil Slick/Jet Fuel (that is a bit more costly).

Making each stem around $22, then why are we paying $50 for it? Even with shipping and a price markup to turn a profit $35 is enough to cover it. That's just for starters.

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4/21/2017 10:17 PM

Universal BB's would be smart . And fuck Nigel Sylvester !

In terms of parts maybe tires that use a more durable compound , like something motorcycles use ( not exactly , but along that line ) . Just so they last longer , and I save money ! Same with grips too , thin ones feel amazing by get ripped fast unless made my ODI

More thin pedals WITH knurling , it seems a lot of pedals now don't have it and I find personally find it very beneficial .

I think most frames now should have a 5mm dropout as a STANDARD . For example the new Volume Voyager has 4mm dropouts so I commented on the video asking why , and they basically said they're strong enough . But people like WTP and Stranger make 7-8mm dropouts , literally double the size . If 4mm is "strong" enough , why not just make it 5 so it's even better ? Like Billy Perry does fucked up grind combos , I think he'd agree that it should be a bit thicker

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4/21/2017 10:45 PM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Wow, feel like I haven't posted here in a long time. I've been in lurk mode.

So I'll get straight to it.

If you could make one change in regards to BMX parts/products what would it be?

This can include price, sizing, colours, geometry, availability etc.

Gack2000 wrote:

Price of parts.

At 42, I have watched how many parts are made. And also know what the cost of material is for many parts. To CNC a stem from a block of aluminum , keeping in mind most companies have 3+ being cut at the same time from the same block. It comes to say $20 including being polished, add $1-2 for color except Oil Slick/Jet Fuel (that is a bit more costly).

Making each stem around $22, then why are we paying $50 for it? Even with shipping and a price markup to turn a profit $35 is enough to cover it. That's just for starters.

The answer to that is simple. No big brand machines their own stems, apart from profile/madera. So they have to pay someone else, then make profit when they sell to the distributor, then the distributor has to make profit when selling to a shop. Then the shop has to make profit when selling to the riders. The money we spend supports the shop, distributor, and the brand that "made" the stem.

Plus the hours that go into designing, shipping it all over the world etc etc.. Ask any bmx shop owner what the mark up is on parts and you'll be surprised they're still open

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4/21/2017 10:46 PM
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Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

Universal BB's would be smart . And fuck Nigel Sylvester !

In terms of parts maybe tires that use a more durable compound , like something motorcycles use ( not exactly , but along that line ) . Just so they last longer , and I save money ! Same with grips too , thin ones feel amazing by get ripped fast unless made my ODI

More thin pedals WITH knurling , it seems a lot of pedals now don't have it and I find personally find it very beneficial .

I think most frames now should have a 5mm dropout as a STANDARD . For example the new Volume Voyager has 4mm dropouts so I commented on the video asking why , and they basically said they're strong enough . But people like WTP and Stranger make 7-8mm dropouts , literally double the size . If 4mm is "strong" enough , why not just make it 5 so it's even better ? Like Billy Perry does fucked up grind combos , I think he'd agree that it should be a bit thicker

My Volume Vessel frame has 7mm think dropouts, I'd never run anything less than 6mm thick. ESPECIALLY if I run pegs.

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4/22/2017 2:30 PM

Super-Pawl wrote:

If stems were steel then they'd never grip chromoly bars...there's a reason they're made from a softer metal.

Wouldn't a knurling pattern on both the bars and the stem clamping area solve that?

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4/22/2017 2:33 PM

Bring grind strips back!

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4/22/2017 2:35 PM

p1p1092 wrote:

I hope you're kidding....

Aluminium works brilliantly in both of those applications and it's about 2-3 times less weight. Why would you change it?

Well ... mainly because of safety concerns, at least the stem part )

I'm afraid that one day the stem will crack, and being aluminium it will go to hell all at once, and I'll fall with my neck in the pointy remains of the stem, cut my jugular vein and die

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4/22/2017 4:12 PM

ChrisWilmshurst wrote:

Wow, feel like I haven't posted here in a long time. I've been in lurk mode.

So I'll get straight to it.

If you could make one change in regards to BMX parts/products what would it be?

This can include price, sizing, colours, geometry, availability etc.

Gack2000 wrote:

Price of parts.

At 42, I have watched how many parts are made. And also know what the cost of material is for many parts. To CNC a stem from a block of aluminum , keeping in mind most companies have 3+ being cut at the same time from the same block. It comes to say $20 including being polished, add $1-2 for color except Oil Slick/Jet Fuel (that is a bit more costly).

Making each stem around $22, then why are we paying $50 for it? Even with shipping and a price markup to turn a profit $35 is enough to cover it. That's just for starters.

grumpySteve wrote:

The answer to that is simple. No big brand machines their own stems, apart from profile/madera. So they have to pay someone else, then make profit when they sell to the distributor, then the distributor has to make profit when selling to a shop. Then the shop has to make profit when selling to the riders. The money we spend supports the shop, distributor, and the brand that "made" the stem.

Plus the hours that go into designing, shipping it all over the world etc etc.. Ask any bmx shop owner what the mark up is on parts and you'll be surprised they're still open

Oh I know I have worked at many shops and it's crazy how much the markup is. Glad my local shop gives me parts at their cost. Sadly they don't sell much of the parts I run, so I end up ordering most from ACE. Joe tends to hook you up and after I dropped $2500 to them in 1 order he remembered lol I built my bike and a bike for my step son. And I hate to buy cheap and buy twice

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4/22/2017 4:27 PM

Stems and frame head tubes with sharp metal spikes facing forward for mowing down scooter kids , thatd be pretty metal

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4/22/2017 5:10 PM

am-shaegar wrote:

I'd make the stems and hub bodies out of steel
And the clamping area on the bars to be full :D

Super-Pawl wrote:

If stems were steel then they'd never grip chromoly bars...there's a reason they're made from a softer metal.

am-shaegar wrote:

Wouldn't a knurling pattern on both the bars and the stem clamping area solve that?

Not really, itd still slip. Also youre from Romania? My family's from there and I speak the language. Beautiful place

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am-shaegar

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4/23/2017 11:53 AM

Super-Pawl wrote:

Not really, itd still slip. Also youre from Romania? My family's from there and I speak the language. Beautiful place

Haha yes! From Romania :D
Indeed it is, but unfortunately the people in it are destroying it every day.
Add that to the pollution, high mortality rate because of car accidents and things are looking grim

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Location: Memphis, TN USA

4/23/2017 12:02 PM

More bronze colored parts would be cool.

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4/23/2017 4:24 PM

A new road fools style thing. I hate that i missed out on almost the entire road fools era. I've only seen a few of them actually.

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