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Dad_Im_Pregnant

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9/5/2017 5:50 AM

Want to try something new, but want to hear peoples opinions first before buying.

Currently on a 20.75 Hoder BTM, but am open to trying something new. Was looking into something with a sub 13.1 CS(slammed) so i could dial it in between around 12.9-13. Then also want to try to find something with a little steeper of a headtube (75.5+?).

Any thoughts? So far the closest ones that fit what I want to try are:
- Sunday Streetsweeper
- BSD ALVX

Looking for some other brands/models that I may be missing out on, +1 if they're American made as well.

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9/5/2017 6:14 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2017 6:15 AM

Cult 2 short. Besides the other 2 you mentioned, that's about as short as they get. Those are the only 3 I know of. Out of those I'd go with the Sunday, just because Jake is an old friend of mine. They've all been around for a little while though, so any of them would be good. Sunday has the best warranty too. Could be the last frame you ever buy.
Personally they are all way too short for me, but if that's what your into, they are all good frames.

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9/5/2017 6:16 AM

ggallin422 wrote:

Cult 2 short. Besides the other 2 you mentioned, that's about as short as they get. Those are the only 3 I know of. Out of those I'd go with the Sunday, just because Jake is an old friend of mine. They've all been around for a little while though, so any of them would be good. Sunday has the best warranty too. Could be the last frame you ever buy.
Personally they are all way too short for me, but if that's what your into, they are all good frames.

Yeah I was leaning towards the Sunday. My previous frame the WZA V4 has a little 'springy-ness' to it that made hopping out of grinds super easy and was wondering if that was just a BSD frame thing, or if it had something to do with the Geos of it.

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9/5/2017 6:48 AM

Go with a titanium laird frame with total hangover specs

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9/5/2017 6:52 AM

I have only owned 6 bmx bikes in my entire life. 3 are not worth mentioning. The most recent, my Sunday streetsweeper, is super responsive. When I first built it, I tried a regular bunnyhop and looped out and fell on my ass, i didnt expect that 1inch difference in chainstay length to matter that that much. I had a failure maniac frame before that and a haro frame as well.

The street sweeper coupled with the r25 fork feels very responsive. Definitely go for the largest frame size though. I have the 21" and although it does feel like i have more cockpit space the bike still feels a little small to me. Im like 5'10 ish

I dont have manuals down very well and this bike seems to have made learning th em even more difficult but I will get them one day. Ive seen people start manualing my bike right away after a couple tries so I know its just my lack of ability not the frames fault.

When I get on anyone elses bike now they feel like tanks compared. Regardless, I think you will be very happy with the sunday. I was super impressed with the quality of the welds and the frames features and finish.

It has taken my bmx'ing to the next level in terms of bike performance.

Highly recommended

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9/5/2017 6:56 AM

Bulletpup wrote:

I have only owned 6 bmx bikes in my entire life. 3 are not worth mentioning. The most recent, my Sunday streetsweeper, is super responsive. When I first built it, I tried a regular bunnyhop and looped out and fell on my ass, i didnt expect that 1inch difference in chainstay length to matter that that much. I had a failure maniac frame before that and a haro frame as well.

The street sweeper coupled with the r25 fork feels very responsive. Definitely go for the largest frame size though. I have the 21" and although it does feel like i have more cockpit space the bike still feels a little small to me. Im like 5'10 ish

I dont have manuals down very well and this bike seems to have made learning th em even more difficult but I will get them one day. Ive seen people start manualing my bike right away after a couple tries so I know its just my lack of ability not the frames fault.

When I get on anyone elses bike now they feel like tanks compared. Regardless, I think you will be very happy with the sunday. I was super impressed with the quality of the welds and the frames features and finish.

It has taken my bmx'ing to the next level in terms of bike performance.

Highly recommended

Great to here, yeah on my WZA I had hop-manuals a little better than my BTM, but did loop out a lot while trying to flat manual.

I'm just at that point where I've been stagnant in learning and I'm sure the specs I ride can be hurting me. For one, I've 6' and rid 20.5-20.75, never once tried a 21".

But also, I can spin 3s from fly out pretty well with good tuck, but flat it just can't come around. Overall I just want to try something new, I saw the Sunday had a chain tensioner as well, which may be what sells me on it.

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9/5/2017 6:57 AM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2017 6:58 AM

eskimojay wrote:

Go with a titanium laird frame with total hangover specs

hi it's me, your child. can i borrow $1500?

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9/5/2017 7:03 AM

Fbm hardway v2. But, you can only shorten your chain half a link at a time, so you'll probably only get it half a link shorter

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9/5/2017 7:07 AM

Bulletpup wrote:

I have only owned 6 bmx bikes in my entire life. 3 are not worth mentioning. The most recent, my Sunday streetsweeper, is super responsive. When I first built it, I tried a regular bunnyhop and looped out and fell on my ass, i didnt expect that 1inch difference in chainstay length to matter that that much. I had a failure maniac frame before that and a haro frame as well.

The street sweeper coupled with the r25 fork feels very responsive. Definitely go for the largest frame size though. I have the 21" and although it does feel like i have more cockpit space the bike still feels a little small to me. Im like 5'10 ish

I dont have manuals down very well and this bike seems to have made learning th em even more difficult but I will get them one day. Ive seen people start manualing my bike right away after a couple tries so I know its just my lack of ability not the frames fault.

When I get on anyone elses bike now they feel like tanks compared. Regardless, I think you will be very happy with the sunday. I was super impressed with the quality of the welds and the frames features and finish.

It has taken my bmx'ing to the next level in terms of bike performance.

Highly recommended

Dad_Im_Pregnant wrote:

Great to here, yeah on my WZA I had hop-manuals a little better than my BTM, but did loop out a lot while trying to flat manual.

I'm just at that point where I've been stagnant in learning and I'm sure the specs I ride can be hurting me. For one, I've 6' and rid 20.5-20.75, never once tried a 21".

But also, I can spin 3s from fly out pretty well with good tuck, but flat it just can't come around. Overall I just want to try something new, I saw the Sunday had a chain tensioner as well, which may be what sells me on it.

The built in tensioners on both sides are awesome. You can dial it in perfect! The only thing about them though is you have to bring that allen key with you or whatever tool you use to take your chain off because if you get a flat and you need to change or fix the tube, good luck getting the wheel off if your chain is tight...lol

I just carry the little allen that comes with theframe jn my bag though. I guess if you are used to slamming your wheel you know the drill. Lol

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9/5/2017 7:15 AM

You could try the total bmx killabee frame with a 12.75 cs and 75.5 head tube angle.

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9/5/2017 9:52 AM

There's also the fit Benny, if you can find one it would probably be pretty cheap. Not sure if there's many left floating around though.

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9/5/2017 10:42 AM

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9/5/2017 10:45 AM

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Eeeewwwww

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9/5/2017 2:56 PM

Been riding the '18 Streetsweeper complete since July.
Couldn't be happier with it.

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9/5/2017 3:32 PM

fit wifi v2, it has 13inch slammed cs, with a 76ha or if you want something super short go the WTP battleship, it has a 12.7 cs

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9/5/2017 3:37 PM

Just want to point out that slammed means all the way into the drop out, so with a 13.1 slammed chainstay you will not be able to run 12.9 or 13.0 without modification.

I ride a mutiny obscura with a 12.8 and I like the frame over all, wish it was a 13.1 or 13.25 instead. I find the super small back end is nice for fakie manuals but not so much forwards manuals.

Hope that helps!




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9/5/2017 3:58 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Just want to point out that slammed means all the way into the drop out, so with a 13.1 slammed chainstay you will not be able to run 12.9 or 13.0 without modification.

I ride a mutiny obscura with a 12.8 and I like the frame over all, wish it was a 13.1 or 13.25 instead. I find the super small back end is nice for fakie manuals but not so much forwards manuals.

Hope that helps!

I mean sub-13.1, so the actual slammed CS would be lower than 13.1(maybe a 12.7 or 12.8), but allow me to adjust up to a 13.1

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9/5/2017 11:57 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Just want to point out that slammed means all the way into the drop out, so with a 13.1 slammed chainstay you will not be able to run 12.9 or 13.0 without modification.

I ride a mutiny obscura with a 12.8 and I like the frame over all, wish it was a 13.1 or 13.25 instead. I find the super small back end is nice for fakie manuals but not so much forwards manuals.

Hope that helps!

Mutiny Obscura, niceeeeeee. Was really hoping to get one but with Casteluzzo gone they've all but disappeared. Specs look really nice for the new 2018 Comb though, very tempted by it

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9/6/2017 2:08 AM

Do not get short than 13.25 , presuming your run your wheel not slammed but fairly close .

I'm at 13" and I have it at like 13.1 and fuck is it ever too short . Will probably go back to 13.5 slammed , purely because of how stable it feels but still has plenty of response , but as well too for how easy it is to lock into manuals ; with a short end you're having to control it all the time .

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