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1/6/2014 11:22 AM

I dunno what to do.

Danscomp is getting the 24mm spline drive Eclat Channel sprockets tomorrow. But theyre 6061 aluminum. They also have the Merritt Mighty.

Empire (where im ordering the rest of my stuff) has Odyssey MDS, Burlington, C-512, S&M Tuffman, etc.

My local park/Tree headquarters has a 28t 15/16 Tree Lite but it costs $10 more and is an hour away (though ill probably be going there anyway.)

Im running 25/8 currently, ordering a 9t hub and want to keep my gear ratio so im getting a 28t. I grind right side and have LHD drive train and am learning grinds, and occasionally mess up and will bump my 25t Profile SD/Odyssey Burlington (never done enough to damage them) on the other side. I dont know if ill bump and mess up a 28t easier/more often though. Technically, a bigger sprocket has more leverage when it gets bashed, so its easier to bend. I also really prefer spline drive but the only option for me is the 6061 Eclat Channel.

I guess my question is, which sprocket should I go with? I dont know if a guard is necessary. If I still ran 25t I know I wouldnt buy a guard.
Ordering from empire will save me about $5 sprocket-wise.

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1/6/2014 11:35 AM

Dilema! I am damn near positive that the Eclat Sprocket WILL hold up to the odd bump just as well as any other Sprocket would! I know the industry is all about 7075 T-6 but ask Yourself this, do You honestly think Companies would put out 6061 T-6 if it was honestly piss weak & would bend/snap if You dropped it? There are some HEAVY Hitters on the Eclat AM Team who have also been testing this Sprocket. I honestly think You will be TOTALLY fine with the 6061 Sprocket! O.K I will admit in terms of Metal vs Metal 7075 DOES have a better spec list!.. But If it really was the be all & end all of Materials used for Sprockets, Do You think companies would be putting out Top End Sprockets (I can see Companies using it for Cheaper/Sister Company Sprockets) The Channel is designed to work with Eclats Onyx 24mm Crankset. So The are pushing the 24mm Onyx Cranks as the next big thing! The Best 24mm Cranks You can buy, but then they pair them up with a shit Sprocket that people will break? I highly doubt that!

I honestly think You WILL be fine with the Channel Sprocket! I'm getting the 19mm one for My Utopia! I think the biggest challenge You will have to overcome is actually Your own head! COULD You run it without being paranoid about breaking it? If No then You should look else where for a different Sprocket! In the not too distant future there will be a Fit Key Guard 24mm Spline Drive Sprocket, So That would cover all bases! 28t, Guard, 24mm Spline Drive! But I'm POSITIVE You WILL be fine with the Eclat Channel Sprocket Buddy!

Whatever You Choose... A. Good Luck with The Build & B. Keep Us up to date! Post Photos of everything going together (Bike Porn!) & Get a Bike Check done ASAP!!!

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1/6/2014 11:47 AM

Topsey wrote:

Dilema! I am damn near positive that the Eclat Sprocket WILL hold up to the odd bump just as well as any other Sprocket would! I know the industry is all about 7075 T-6 but ask Yourself this, do You honestly think Companies would put out 6061 T-6 if it was honestly piss weak & would bend/snap if You dropped it? There are some HEAVY Hitters on the Eclat AM Team who have also been testing this Sprocket. I honestly think You will be TOTALLY fine with the 6061 Sprocket! O.K I will admit in terms of Metal vs Metal 7075 DOES have a better spec list!.. But If it really was the be all & end all of Materials used for Sprockets, Do You think companies would be putting out Top End Sprockets (I can see Companies using it for Cheaper/Sister Company Sprockets) The Channel is designed to work with Eclats Onyx 24mm Crankset. So The are pushing the 24mm Onyx Cranks as the next big thing! The Best 24mm Cranks You can buy, but then they pair them up with a shit Sprocket that people will break? I highly doubt that!

I honestly think You WILL be fine with the Channel Sprocket! I'm getting the 19mm one for My Utopia! I think the biggest challenge You will have to overcome is actually Your own head! COULD You run it without being paranoid about breaking it? If No then You should look else where for a different Sprocket! In the not too distant future there will be a Fit Key Guard 24mm Spline Drive Sprocket, So That would cover all bases! 28t, Guard, 24mm Spline Drive! But I'm POSITIVE You WILL be fine with the Eclat Channel Sprocket Buddy!

Whatever You Choose... A. Good Luck with The Build & B. Keep Us up to date! Post Photos of everything going together (Bike Porn!) & Get a Bike Check done ASAP!!!

Im only one order away from having my bike finished since I decided im going to run this frame until it dies. So we will have a bike check up soon!

The big problem with the Channel is I have owned many 6061 sprockets (3 profile imperials, 4 shadow crank and bones, a Subrosa Skeleton Crew, etc.) and they all bent super easy (when I rode RHD and grind right side). And when I didnt grind with them, they would become shark toothed just from being used!

I trust Eclat 100% when it comes to parts, but making the first ever 24mm sprocket out of a weaker material seems so strange of them!

I guess price kind of matters too. If its gonna be more than $55 than its off the list anyhow.

So out of my other choices, whats your opinion?

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1/6/2014 12:18 PM

just wait for the Fit sprocket
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1/6/2014 12:22 PM

Tree 110%!!

You could look into...
BSD
Eclat Vent - There is a Vent Guard coming, Not 100% sure when though...
Fit Key Guard
Merritt Mighty
Animal V3

But yeah, out of Your current choices the Tree is deffo the way to go. Get the Light version it's think as hell & I'm SURE You'll never, ever damage it!

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1/6/2014 12:23 PM

How thick is the Channel Sprocket? Because if it's thicker than normal the fact that it's 6061 won't really be a problem.

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1/6/2014 12:30 PM

BMX_Forever wrote:

How thick is the Channel Sprocket? Because if it's thicker than normal the fact that it's 6061 won't really be a problem.

I'm pretty sure all of eclat's 6061 sprockets are 8mm thick. But still it will be considerably weaker, plus the teeth will wear down faster.

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1/6/2014 12:31 PM

I think people are right about this. Even with the slightly bigger sprocket you're going to be fine if you ding it on a ledge or rail here or there. I personally run a guarded sprocket, but so long as you're not constantly doing sprocket chunks on everything in sight, that sprocket should definitely hold up. As for the spline drive dilemma, I'm pretty sure I've ran both and never really felt a difference, maybe I'm wrong about this? Does anyone see an advantage to spline drive sprockets?

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1/6/2014 12:34 PM

I've never had a SD, but to me it just seems to be an aesthetic thing - looks better - and no bolt.

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1/6/2014 12:35 PM

zachkrejmas wrote:

I think people are right about this. Even with the slightly bigger sprocket you're going to be fine if you ding it on a ledge or rail here or there. I personally run a guarded sprocket, but so long as you're not constantly doing sprocket chunks on everything in sight, that sprocket should definitely hold up. As for the spline drive dilemma, I'm pretty sure I've ran both and never really felt a difference, maybe I'm wrong about this? Does anyone see an advantage to spline drive sprockets?

Some people feel it gives you better cranking, like it just feels better to crank with a spline drive sprocket. Also you'll have your sprocket aligned perfectly since a lot of people don't realize that if you tighten the sprocket bolt BEFORE tightening your cranks, it can make it appear bent. I wouldn't ever run one because I'd be scared of the splines wearing out over time just as splined crank arms do, then it'd be wobbly

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1/6/2014 12:44 PM

What do you guys think of the Odyssey Burlington? Compared to the Tree Lite.

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1/6/2014 12:57 PM

BMX_Forever wrote:

How thick is the Channel Sprocket? Because if it's thicker than normal the fact that it's 6061 won't really be a problem.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

I'm pretty sure all of eclat's 6061 sprockets are 8mm thick. But still it will be considerably weaker, plus the teeth will wear down faster.

Well the teeth is why I said it wouldn't really be a problem and nor it wouldn't be a problem. And yeah 8mm isn't super thick, if I remember correctly the Tree Sprocket thickness is measured in Inches and the thickness of the Lite equates to about 7.5mm or something like that.

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1/6/2014 1:03 PM

New dilemma. The Tree isnt in my price range like I thought. I need a 15/16 28t sprocket under $55... MDS is promising, and im currently on a 25t Burlington and have enjoyed it but I dont know how good it is in the long run as ive only had it for a month.
Any reviews on the Burlington? Or should I quit being a puss and try a guarded sprocket since the MDS has an amazing reputation?

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1/6/2014 1:20 PM

Animal V3, Odyssey C-512, Odyssey MDS, S&M Tuff Man
these are the new options..

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1/6/2014 2:56 PM

HardBMX_Tim wrote:

Animal V3, Odyssey C-512, Odyssey MDS, S&M Tuff Man
these are the new options..

Animal V3. Zodiac Engineering is incredible.

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1/6/2014 3:09 PM
Edited Date/Time: 1/6/2014 3:09 PM

zachkrejmas wrote:

I think people are right about this. Even with the slightly bigger sprocket you're going to be fine if you ding it on a ledge or rail here or there. I personally run a guarded sprocket, but so long as you're not constantly doing sprocket chunks on everything in sight, that sprocket should definitely hold up. As for the spline drive dilemma, I'm pretty sure I've ran both and never really felt a difference, maybe I'm wrong about this? Does anyone see an advantage to spline drive sprockets?

Spline drive is going to work better for longer. If you know anyone with some really old bolt drive sprockets, you'll see all the bolt holes are worn down. Spline drive really doesn't wear like this because the interface is chromoly plus the force is more evenly spread around the entire interface in the center of the sprocket rather than just the one bolt towards the outside of the sprocket.

I believe spline drive offers a more efficient drive train, but maybe it's just be being very technical haha.

I think spline drive will generally be smoother because it eliminates the chances of having a tight/loose spot in your chain from not getting your sprocket bolt set up correctly (Missing the adapter or maybe the sprocket bore is just a bit bigger than it should be, etc.). My friend runs Socket Drive Thunderbolts and it is INSANELY smooth. It really is incredible. Plus Socket Drive, in theory, should last even longer than spline drive. Definitely getting Socket Drive Thunderbolts and a Socket Drive Tree Lite when it drops.

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1/6/2014 3:37 PM

I prefer spline drive just because it eliminates the most common breaking point of a sprocket.

But I HAVE MADE MY DECISION. All of you will now be left curious.

Bike check up later this week yo.

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1/6/2014 5:21 PM

When it comes to sprockets.

Tree og and mds's are all you need

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