The shit you see on TCU

Somebody didn't actually order that did they lol.

That makes no sense. Bb is kinda low but could be flat frame for a ghuy thats like 6'6

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do that...

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do that...

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His merged interview said he did one with 72 ht, 11bb, and 74 st.

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do that...

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Doubt that ht would work. Tire would rub down tube. Someone would have already had it if it was possible lol

79.5 HT Angle!!!!! LOFL

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do that...

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tomdon wrote:

His merged interview said he did one with 72 ht, 11bb, and 74 st.

tomdon wrote:

His merged interview said he did one with 72 ht, 11bb, and 74 st.

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Thats fucked haha i don't get how some one could effectively ride that in all honesty. It'd be super gross

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

I wanna see that. If i saw someone riding it i would literally laugh relelentlessly. I doubt Mike Laird would even want to do that...

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Ricked_Em wrote:

Doubt that ht would work. Tire would rub down tube. Someone would have already had it if it was possible lol

Ricked_Em wrote:

Doubt that ht would work. Tire would rub down tube. Someone would have already had it if it was possible lol

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Yeah, it's pretty impossible i think. Idc though, but it wouldn't ride right for sure.

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

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Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

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Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

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pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames because he only lets you pick geo and nothing else, fuck I heard he won't even let you get a frame without the sticker unless you are some pro LOOOL..

can't have toptube gusset, can't have wishbone, can't have different chainstay caps, can't have different bottom bracket shapes, can't have different headtube shapes, can only choose top and downtube tubes, can't chose dropouts other than size, thats a whole lot of cants for $100 less...

A guy who's been a pro and a metal fabricator longer then most of these critics have been alive, yet they all think they think they know metal fabrication better then He does , this site never ceases to amaze me with how stupid kids are

I'm not saying he doesn't know metal fabrication, but being a pro and being in the metal fab industry doesn't automatically make what he says 100% law. There are TONS of arguments on the internet over whether the wishbone style chainstay is stronger than a non-wishbone style chainstay, so obviously it's debated, meaning it hasn't been 100% proved that one is stronger than the other (Unless it has been and I'm unaware) meaning that his word that it is stronger, isn't 100% factual.

Also, I've seen MANY frames crack and break in the rear end, and ALL of them were not wishbone style. All the more I'm gonna say on that matter.

I would personally like to see Mike Laird argue with George French about how much stronger a non-wishbone chainstay is against the director style wishbone chainstay.

But they did remove the wishbone CS on the new MotoRoss.

Laird might be onto something...

one try kid wrote:

I would personally like to see Mike Laird argue with George French about how much stronger a non-wishbone chainstay is against ...more

one try kid wrote:

I would personally like to see Mike Laird argue with George French about how much stronger a non-wishbone chainstay is against the director style wishbone chainstay.

But they did remove the wishbone CS on the new MotoRoss.

Laird might be onto something...

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Both of them have an account on here.. maybe you'll get your wish haha.

But actually the MotoRoss doesn't have a wishbone CS simply because that was Aaron Ross' preference, as stated by George himself in a previous thread on here

"The MotoRoss is Aaron's signature frame. He was not a fan of the wishbone, the wave or the gusset and instead wanted a "classical" look. So that is what we gave him."

sundaybmxRR wrote:

Both of them have an account on here.. maybe you'll get your wish haha.

But actually the MotoRoss doesn't have a wishbone CS ...more

sundaybmxRR wrote:

Both of them have an account on here.. maybe you'll get your wish haha.

But actually the MotoRoss doesn't have a wishbone CS simply because that was Aaron Ross' preference, as stated by George himself in a previous thread on here

"The MotoRoss is Aaron's signature frame. He was not a fan of the wishbone, the wave or the gusset and instead wanted a "classical" look. So that is what we gave him."

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I think i was on that thread complaining about Sunday making budget frames... lol

I think GFrench mentioned that he made the Motoross a non-wishbone and non-wave frame without sacrificing strength.

Maybe there's a way to make strong chainstays without the wishbone and Laird knows how.

BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames ...more

BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames because he only lets you pick geo and nothing else, fuck I heard he won't even let you get a frame without the sticker unless you are some pro LOOOL..

can't have toptube gusset, can't have wishbone, can't have different chainstay caps, can't have different bottom bracket shapes, can't have different headtube shapes, can only choose top and downtube tubes, can't chose dropouts other than size, thats a whole lot of cants for $100 less...

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You get to pick tubing as well. He has basically came up with the strongest frame he can make and doesn't want to put his name on anything else but starting out you can't really blame him. BTW call fbm about a custom dropout, double wishbone, head tube shapes, and custome gussets and I'll be surprised with they come back with a quote for less then $900

Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

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BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames ...more

BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames because he only lets you pick geo and nothing else, fuck I heard he won't even let you get a frame without the sticker unless you are some pro LOOOL..

can't have toptube gusset, can't have wishbone, can't have different chainstay caps, can't have different bottom bracket shapes, can't have different headtube shapes, can only choose top and downtube tubes, can't chose dropouts other than size, thats a whole lot of cants for $100 less...

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Ricked_Em wrote:

You get to pick tubing as well. He has basically came up with the strongest frame he can make and doesn't want to put his name ...more

Ricked_Em wrote:

You get to pick tubing as well. He has basically came up with the strongest frame he can make and doesn't want to put his name on anything else but starting out you can't really blame him. BTW call fbm about a custom dropout, double wishbone, head tube shapes, and custome gussets and I'll be surprised with they come back with a quote for less then $900

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The thing about the wishbone is why I am hesitant. I prefer the look and feel of it and i am very sure it is stronger. And atleast more stiff. I have broken frames in that area. And never once has it been on a wishbone. I also would want a toptube gusset i think. But that's not a MUST for me. Usually as long as you go for a not super thin toptube, it wont bend or stress too much.

Mike Laird KNOWS what he is doing. That i trust. But sometimes the materials you have to buy actually makes it too hard to actually make a strong part. He doesnt wanna have to use a piece from the toptube or downtube right there because thatd put too much stress on that type of metal. He would need something real thick and stuff. Which would be a real pain for him and honestly, with his welding, he can probably have it just as strong in that area.

MaximusBikes wrote:

The thing about the wishbone is why I am hesitant. I prefer the look and feel of it and i am very sure it is stronger. And ...more

MaximusBikes wrote:

The thing about the wishbone is why I am hesitant. I prefer the look and feel of it and i am very sure it is stronger. And atleast more stiff. I have broken frames in that area. And never once has it been on a wishbone. I also would want a toptube gusset i think. But that's not a MUST for me. Usually as long as you go for a not super thin toptube, it wont bend or stress too much.

Mike Laird KNOWS what he is doing. That i trust. But sometimes the materials you have to buy actually makes it too hard to actually make a strong part. He doesnt wanna have to use a piece from the toptube or downtube right there because thatd put too much stress on that type of metal. He would need something real thick and stuff. Which would be a real pain for him and honestly, with his welding, he can probably have it just as strong in that area.

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Ding ding ding.

"He would need something real thick and stuff. Which would be a real pain for him and honestly, with his welding, he can probably have it just as strong in that area."

You just explained it. The way he's capable of welding he can build a frame just as strong as a wishbone without all that extra material. Based off of old ways/technology a wishbone would be stronger but this is 2015. Based off Mikes attitude/demanor I believe/trust what he says and I honestly doubt these biggger riders riding his frames wouldn't if they were shitty or "weaker" I mean Dhers could have gone to anyone for a frame and he went to Laird. Dhers is the smartest one around. Laird frame with Tree parts lol. I still like FBM and I wanted them to build one but after seeing Mikes process and attention to detail I decided to have him build it.

Ricked_Em wrote:

Ding ding ding.

"He would need something real thick and stuff. Which would be a real pain for him and honestly, with his ...more

Ricked_Em wrote:

Ding ding ding.

"He would need something real thick and stuff. Which would be a real pain for him and honestly, with his welding, he can probably have it just as strong in that area."

You just explained it. The way he's capable of welding he can build a frame just as strong as a wishbone without all that extra material. Based off of old ways/technology a wishbone would be stronger but this is 2015. Based off Mikes attitude/demanor I believe/trust what he says and I honestly doubt these biggger riders riding his frames wouldn't if they were shitty or "weaker" I mean Dhers could have gone to anyone for a frame and he went to Laird. Dhers is the smartest one around. Laird frame with Tree parts lol. I still like FBM and I wanted them to build one but after seeing Mikes process and attention to detail I decided to have him build it.

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Yeah, I would still want a few specific things that I know he won't do, and for good reason really, but it's MY frame and if I am willing to spend a crap ton of money on the LAST frame i would ever need, I might as well.

I like tucked seatstays with bullet tips nothing open ended. I like it to NOT rust. I want a dent proof downtube, and chainstays, i want an extra long head tube so i don't need spacers. I'd prefer a wishbone and whatever geo I like. I want it heat treated i want it to be 4.5 lbs and be long lasting and awesome looking, along with super thick dropouts and chain tensioners.

I know FBM or maybe even Standard would be willing to work with my persnickety ways. haha There are a few things on a frame that i don't think affect the strength that much, but really just how it looks. Like tucked seatstays versus the kind Mike does.

As long as my frame is the way I want, i don't care. I basically want the specs of a Soundwave frame with a better set of geometry. It's like impossible really, and i'm not about to spend that much for something that is only a bit better.

That's why going Laird is a good idea. For the price, you get a strong frame that's light, the perfect geo, and has a neat seat stay bridge of your choice. all for about 500$. Sure you could spend double that on something you literally get to choose EVERYTHING on, but it's not really gonna change that much.

I agree that it's yours and you want it your way and there are other outlets to get that acomplished but as of right now mike isn't able to do that, cant say I blame him.

are these frames considered unbreakable or something?

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

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Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

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BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames ...more

BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames because he only lets you pick geo and nothing else, fuck I heard he won't even let you get a frame without the sticker unless you are some pro LOOOL..

can't have toptube gusset, can't have wishbone, can't have different chainstay caps, can't have different bottom bracket shapes, can't have different headtube shapes, can only choose top and downtube tubes, can't chose dropouts other than size, thats a whole lot of cants for $100 less...

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disregard this post

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

Xxohioanxx wrote:

You can have whatever you want, as long as it's not a strong rear end design.

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Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

Ricked_Em wrote:

Pro rider who has been a metal fabricator for 24 years vs 18 year old kid on the Internet.

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BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames ...more

BLVCK wrote:

pro rider whos been a metal fabricator for 24 years that offers custom frames but is basically the apple of bike frames because he only lets you pick geo and nothing else, fuck I heard he won't even let you get a frame without the sticker unless you are some pro LOOOL..

can't have toptube gusset, can't have wishbone, can't have different chainstay caps, can't have different bottom bracket shapes, can't have different headtube shapes, can only choose top and downtube tubes, can't chose dropouts other than size, thats a whole lot of cants for $100 less...

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For $100 less. This is why I hate you. He's not selling full customs. Why can't you people get that through your fucking heads.

I can take you from biggy buggy to biggy butthole baby

CrazyClarkV3 wrote:

I can take you from biggy buggy to biggy butthole baby

CrazyClarkV3 wrote:

I can take you from biggy buggy to biggy butthole baby

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already taken care of mate

Tht got gay very quickly.

CrazyClarkV3 wrote:

I can take you from biggy buggy to biggy butthole baby

CrazyClarkV3 wrote:

I can take you from biggy buggy to biggy butthole baby

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TheBrandonFranke wrote:

already taken care of mate

TheBrandonFranke wrote:

already taken care of mate

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>Be Brandon
>Probobly ride a bike
>Get falsely insulted by a 14 year old

Thought you were Brayden, who is a better rider and has a better bike than me.