JoeDavidson wrote:
to a degree yes, a 5lbs frame will be stronger than a 4lb frame if made in the same way without any defects. and that ...more
JoeDavidson wrote:
to a degree yes, a 5lbs frame will be stronger than a 4lb frame if made in the same way without any defects. and that arguement is somewhat illogical, why would a rider design a signature frame that is not even strong enough for them to ride, no one would do that as it would increase your chances of getting injured and no riders do that, they ride the same frame that is being sold to the public. period.
thin tubing is actually much harder to dent as well and as I said many of my friends ride them, most of them ride street mainly and none of them have had any issues what so ever, they are no weaker than the vast majority of frames out there and infact outlasted Fly, United and Cult frames rode by the same people.
to be honest it just seems like illogical hating on the brand due to their image, if their products were as shit as you guys are making them out to be then they would have gone out of bussiness a long time ago
HardBMX_Tim wrote:
So a 5lb frame with tapered/butted tubing would be stronger than a 4.5lb frame with straight gauge tubing, top and bottom ...more
HardBMX_Tim wrote:
So a 5lb frame with tapered/butted tubing would be stronger than a 4.5lb frame with straight gauge tubing, top and bottom gussets, and postweld heat treatment? Its possible, but most likely not. All im getting at is weight is pretty irrelevant to strength to an extent. Obviously a 3lb frame would probably be shit just because theres wouldn't be enough material in general. But 4.5lbs is enough to make an indestructible frame if built right. 5.5lbs isnt enough to build even a half decent frame if it is built weirdly (I.e., tapered weld areas, thin drop outs, no heat treatment, etc.)
And MANY riders ride modified versions of their sig frames. Why doesn't the company just sell the stronger versions then? Because they would be $500 frames and nobody would buy them.
Im just saying, I wouldn't trust the thin tubesets or tapered weld areas on the Totals worth a damn. Im glad that you and your friends like them, but I would rather have thicker tubing and larger weld areas for obvious reasons.
JoeDavidson wrote:
as I said if made in the same way.
Also what can they do to make it stronger, the frames are all visibly the same and other ...more
JoeDavidson wrote:
as I said if made in the same way.
Also what can they do to make it stronger, the frames are all visibly the same and other than adding internal gussets(already used on lost of production frames), investment casting (which clearly isn't used on the vast vast majority of pros frames) and heat treatment (which is a possibility but many companies use it already) what else is there that would make these frames so much stronger and more expeinsive.
Also most pros go and pick their frames up from the stock room of the local distro (footage of Chad Kerley, Kriss Kyle and other big name pro's doing it) i mean yes im sure it does happen but to me it seems like these accusations would not be made of say Fiend or cult.
Not saying everyone does it, but a lot do. Examples would be heat treated (post weld to be more specific), thicker/higher quality tube sets, different variations of butting and tapering (more expensive, stronger types than what is used on production model frames), higher quality welds, hydroforming, etc. There is a TON of things you can do while making a frame/part to make it significantly stronger, but they are all too expensive to use for mass production, frames would be $500-600 AND they would last alot longer than normal. This means less people would buy the frame to begin with, and very few people would break it and buy another one. Companies would spend more money than theyd make.
A frame with solid material (no tubing) made from 7075 aluminum can look the exact same as a frame with 4130 tubing. Are they the same though? No.
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