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6/16/2014 9:34 PM

So what to look for in a frame? Two frame and forks I'm interested in, which is better, why? What makes a better frame and fork?
1.
WTP scorpio: The 2014 WTP Scorpio frame is made from 4130 seamless Japanese chromoly, featuring a heat-treated integrated headtube drilled for gyro tabs, single-butted toptube with hydroformed gusset, double-butted downtube with hydroformed gusset, heat-treated Mid BB shell, investment cast seat post clamp, seatstay located removable U-brake mounts, CNC machined seatstay bridge, 6mm thick heat-treated dropouts and integrated chain tensioners.

Headset Type: Integrated (Campy)
Gyro Tabs: Removable (Included)
Brake Mounts: Removable (Included)
BB Type: Mid
BB Height: 11.75"
Chainstay: 13" - 13.4"
Headtube Angle: 75°
Seattube Angle: 71°
Seattube Height: 8" (203mm)
Seatpost Size: 25.4mm
Seat Clamp: Integrated
Dropout Size: 14mm
Weight: 5 lbs 2.5 oz
Wtp patron fork:The We The People Patron V2 fork is constructed from post-weld heat-treated 4130 "M2" chromoly featuring a 1-pc machined steerer tube with integrated bearing race, single-butted and tapered fork legs, 7mm thick investment cast hollow dropouts for strength, and a 7075-T6 aluminum compression bolt.

Height: 315mm
Steerer Tube Length: 170mm
Bearing Race: Integrated
Offset: 25mm or 35mm
Compression Bolt: 24x1.5mm
Compression Bolt Tool: 6mm Allen
Weight: 36 oz

2.
Volume vessel: The Volume Vessel frame is Broc Raiford's signature model made from 4130 heat-treated chromoly, featuring an hourglass shaped integrated headtube drilled for gyro tabs, double-butted top and downtube with dual gussets for strength, machined Mid BB shell, externally butted seattube with integrated seat post clamp, tapered seatstays with removable U-brake mounts, curved bridges for additional tire clearance, 7mm thick investment cast dropouts and integrated chain tensioners.

Headset Type: Integrated (Campy)
Gyro Tabs: Removable (Included)
Brake Mounts: Removable (Included)
BB Type: Mid
BB Height: 11.7"
Chainstay: 13.25" - 13.75"
Headtube Angle: 75°
Seattube Angle: 71°
Seattube Height: 9.25" (235mm)
Seat Post Size: 25.4mm
Seat Clamp: Integrated
Dropout Size: 14mm
Weight: 5 lbs 0.6 oz
Volume Hatchet: The Volume Hatchet fork is Drew Hosselton's signature model made from fully heat-treated chromoly tubing with a 1-pc internally and externally butted steerer tube, integrated lower bearing race, tapered legs for maximum tire clearance and 5mm thick CNC machined dropouts notched for peg clearance.

Height: 315mm
Steerer Tube Length: 162mm
Bearing Race: Integrated
Offset: 30mm
Compression Bolt: 25x1.5mm
Compression Bolt Tool: 6mm Allen
Weight: 29.1 oz

What makes each one better or worse and what should I look for?
And what makes a good hub a good hub?

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6/16/2014 9:42 PM

WTP is hydroformed and PWHT.
The Volume stuff is solid im sure though, but I would personally do WTP just for the structural advantages they have to offer, plus lifetime warranty.

A good hub is with bearings thicker or as thick as 6902s, leaf springs, 4+ pawls, 15mm+ center front axle, 14mm male or 17mm+ w/ 14mm female bolts rear.

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6/17/2014 6:19 AM

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6/17/2014 7:40 AM

Yes WTP has a "Lifetime Warranty" but you only get to use it once. That means if you break the replacement frame (which is unclear if you have to purchase) you have to buy a brand new frame at retail prices. In other words, WTP will not continually replace your frame for life. They'll do it once, and may not do it at all since it's completely up to them.

Volume has a "Lifetime Crash Replacement" program where you purchase a replacement/upgraded frame at crash replacement prices. The replacement/upgrade frame only has a 30 Day Warranty.

So with either company (all companies really), "Lifetime" is actually quite limited.

Personally, I'd go with the Vessel for its 9.25" SO and longer CS. It's not "better" than the Scorpio, it's just better for me.

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