What brands aren't doing good for BMX, and what brands are?

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3/21/2016 11:54 AM

We always talk about how much we like certain brands, but what brands do you see being a detriment to the industry, or just not contributing to the BMX world? What brands do you find contributing the most and pushing us in a good direction?

This isn't meant as a hate thread, just as a good discussion topic to see peoples opinions, and counter argue them if you feel, so try to give reasoning to your statements!

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3/21/2016 12:29 PM

Fbm are the best. They build in house and do product testing before going into production. As well as having real life input from their riders. Plus they hold loads of jams and are constantly pushing out clips. They seem very level headed and down to earth. Obviously not in it for the money otherwise they'd be getting stuff made elsewhere.

I personally used see cult as being a bit negative. Not so much now. But they were selling Taiwanese frames at nearly the same cost as American made, and kids bought them because they like the brand (big mark up compared to everyone else). Their prices have dropped, and they seem to be doing a fair bit with jams and their own "clubhouse".

A lot (most?) don't seem to put much back into the scene at all though.

I think haro are only it in for the money. Possibly some other companies that got big even though they're relatively new (hyper, total etc.) I heard some dodgy stories about total.....

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3/21/2016 12:33 PM

Odyssey - they put a lot of thought and actual engineering into their parts. warranty department is great. not all their parts are slam dunks but they try a lot harder than most brands.

Tree - used to be great. they used to put a lot of thought into their parts but now it seems like their just riding the wave from their past success. now they are selling catalog parts like their pedals and bike pump. looks like they will soon be jumping on the clone coaster bandwagon as well. i'd imagine they aren't doing great, financially, so they are probably trying to pump out some parts with nice margins so that they can get back to they're previous status. but that's me speculating.

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3/21/2016 12:41 PM

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Fbm are the best. They build in house and do product testing before going into production. As well as having real life input from their riders. Plus they hold loads of jams and are constantly pushing out clips. They seem very level headed and down to earth. Obviously not in it for the money otherwise they'd be getting stuff made elsewhere.

I personally used see cult as being a bit negative. Not so much now. But they were selling Taiwanese frames at nearly the same cost as American made, and kids bought them because they like the brand (big mark up compared to everyone else). Their prices have dropped, and they seem to be doing a fair bit with jams and their own "clubhouse".

A lot (most?) don't seem to put much back into the scene at all though.

I think haro are only it in for the money. Possibly some other companies that got big even though they're relatively new (hyper, total etc.) I heard some dodgy stories about total.....

At much as I don't like to say it Cult (local company) does a lot for the scene here. Every jam they have at the club house theres always about half of the team hanging out with everyone riding, free food and drinks, and ridiculously cheap prices for their stuff. The owner Robbie and everyone else does everything they can to help you out with what you need. A lot of kids here have full cult bikes because they're super cheap to everyone. They really hook it up and give back.

I like odyssey though. They do a lot of team trips and sponsor a lot of the jams ive been too. Plus they had their factory warehouse sale this past weekend and stuff was super cheap

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3/21/2016 3:32 PM

GT doing good they can afford to send their team around the world and make a good living

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3/21/2016 3:42 PM

Local ones are Colony , BSD , they always have something happening here .

Fiend , S&M , FBM , Eclat and We The People , as well as Cult are some I'm really into at the moment . Most of my bike is Eclat / WTP / Cult and S&M has sick warranty and CS

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3/21/2016 7:23 PM

I used to really have an unjustified hatred towards Cult. When they first arrived it seemed like they were a bandwagon brand that a bunch of well known pros hopped on for the money. BUT, when everyone bandwagoned them, they made money, and seem to be giving back to the community.

I agree with Odyssey and FBM. If you guys have time, watch the Come Up interviews with them. Hour long videos but deff worth the watch if you love bmx and getting to know the industry.

I have some reservations about Merritt. Idk how long they've been around because I stopped riding for a while, but when I popped back into the scene this past december and started following bmx again via instagram and other outlets, I see them a lot and they just seem generic.

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3/21/2016 7:59 PM
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I used to really have an unjustified hatred towards Cult. When they first arrived it seemed like they were a bandwagon brand that a bunch of well known pros hopped on for the money. BUT, when everyone bandwagoned them, they made money, and seem to be giving back to the community.

I agree with Odyssey and FBM. If you guys have time, watch the Come Up interviews with them. Hour long videos but deff worth the watch if you love bmx and getting to know the industry.

I have some reservations about Merritt. Idk how long they've been around because I stopped riding for a while, but when I popped back into the scene this past december and started following bmx again via instagram and other outlets, I see them a lot and they just seem generic.

I still won't buy or ride anything Cult. Same goes with FIT. No real reason for Fit at this point, I think a lot of it was how HUGE they got so fast. EVERYONE had or had to have one for a while. I'd consider one at this point if the part was fitting my needs.

Cult is due to how that brand came about and how Robbie Morales acted when he didn't get his way with Chris Moeller. Just how he was bashing Chris after the fact bugged me, and I refuse to support his brand. The team is super good, but I just won't ride/buy anything of theirs on my own personal setup. Also I don't really fit into their "target demographic" of teenage potheads.

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3/21/2016 9:02 PM

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I still won't buy or ride anything Cult. Same goes with FIT. No real reason for Fit at this point, I think a lot of it was how HUGE they got so fast. EVERYONE had or had to have one for a while. I'd consider one at this point if the part was fitting my needs.

Cult is due to how that brand came about and how Robbie Morales acted when he didn't get his way with Chris Moeller. Just how he was bashing Chris after the fact bugged me, and I refuse to support his brand. The team is super good, but I just won't ride/buy anything of theirs on my own personal setup. Also I don't really fit into their "target demographic" of teenage potheads.

I remember the days of everyone having a Fit... For awhile, nearly every good biker in town here had a Fit signature frame when they were at their peak before Robbo split the team up (Personally I think that was their peak, I loved Fit when Dak, both Chases, Eddie Cleveland, etc, were on the team)




I think a lot of people in here are missing the thread's main point though, he asked which brands aren't doing good, not which brands are.







I say any brand that promotes weed & drug use like they're a 10 year old who just discovered their older brothers stash. Shit is seriously fucking annoying (I'm looking at you, OSS) and I don't care if they think "oh well we're not promoting it, we don't tell kids to go off and do it" cause kids are dumb as shit and easily impressionable. Of course if they see their favorite bike riders, they're gonna wanna try the same.

Can't wait for Adam22 to screenshot this with "lol why you hatin" or something for his 5938257 pot enthusiast followers to talk shit on me though!




Other than that, I can't really think of any offhand that are a true detriment though.

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3/21/2016 11:45 PM

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I remember the days of everyone having a Fit... For awhile, nearly every good biker in town here had a Fit signature frame when they were at their peak before Robbo split the team up (Personally I think that was their peak, I loved Fit when Dak, both Chases, Eddie Cleveland, etc, were on the team)




I think a lot of people in here are missing the thread's main point though, he asked which brands aren't doing good, not which brands are.







I say any brand that promotes weed & drug use like they're a 10 year old who just discovered their older brothers stash. Shit is seriously fucking annoying (I'm looking at you, OSS) and I don't care if they think "oh well we're not promoting it, we don't tell kids to go off and do it" cause kids are dumb as shit and easily impressionable. Of course if they see their favorite bike riders, they're gonna wanna try the same.

Can't wait for Adam22 to screenshot this with "lol why you hatin" or something for his 5938257 pot enthusiast followers to talk shit on me though!




Other than that, I can't really think of any offhand that are a true detriment though.

I agree with this, definitely. Although, a lot of companies have unintentionally (or intentionally) promoted weed, and alcohol. Fbm did a lot of that, s&m did too with some sketchy ads in magazines (how to turn a pair of forks into a bong). They had a lot of racist ads too.

I can't stand the come up or oss, seems like that Adam guy is trying to force his opinions on people. I think he's a twat. I didn't really pay attention until he started all that shit with Ian Schwartz. Absolutely no reason to abuse his position to publicly slate another rider, especially over something that was happening in his personal life.

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3/22/2016 2:02 AM

Nike.

A giant corporation in it just to make money.

They dissolved their 6.0 program too.
BMX riders riding on skateboarding shoes.

Doesn't matter though, nike riders get paid.

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3/22/2016 2:14 AM
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As for me, I think BSD is doing great. Epic video parts and edits, solid team, heck, even Kriss started a YouTube Channel! Talk about promotion. I love the positive vibe they have in their videos. I have the same words towards Colony, another brand that I recently took note of more in-depth.

As for the not-so good, there is none for me. Brands are brands, each contributing at least SOMETHING to the BMX world. Let's be fair, they're around because some people go after their products. There will always be some degree of hate towards a person or brand in BMX, of course, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing anything to progress BMX. It's up to the customer to choose, and it's a definite that we all select differently.

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3/22/2016 3:07 AM

S&M/Fit/Building Distro: Moeller has been around forever, and has always done things his own way. There were times when just staying in BMX was about the best you could hope for from a company, and Moeller always found a way.

If you've ever read the Albion interviews with Moeller and Robbo about the beginnings of Fit and Cult, it makes a lot of sense. Moeller never really wanted Fit to get huge, but Robbo went out and signed BF, Van Homan, and others, so they had to sell a billion bikes to pay these guys.

The way Moeller treats the old dudes is really cool too. How many bikes does Mike Aitken sell anymore? Don't get me wrong, I love the dude, I consider him one of the best there ever was, but he really hasn't been out there putting out clips and going on trips since he got hurt, but he's still on the team. I think they were paying Eddy Cleveland long after he quit riding.

There are others: Odyssey and FBM come to mind. I think Empire is up there too.

I think T1 is up there too for kinda growing up with BMX. Joe kinda shows us this other side of BMX, outside of Instagram bangers and shit like that. I'm having a hard time articulating it, but the stuff he puts out video wise is more relatable to me.

I guess it's that he edits stuff in a way that feels like BMX is a part the trip, and not the entire focus of a trip. Like "yeah, were in this epic place, and we're riding, but there's a lot of other things to enjoy too".

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3/22/2016 6:25 AM

In my opinion odyssey and Sunday are probably the best. They give back tons to the bmx community around here and they make solid parts that don't cost a million dollars.

Shadow would probably be the worst in my opinion. They seemail to be more into making pretty colours than making good parts. Their parts also cost way more than others in Canada.


Another company that seems to be going a strange way lol is stranger. They used to have a sketchy street image but since the addition of adam lz (no hate I watch his videos) they seem to have gone way down. They seem now to be comparable to Haro and just trying to make tons of money.

The last company that seems bad is fit. I remember when they were huge but now they seem really crappy. My friend has a fit complete and it is a nightmare to work on. It keeps breaking and has cost him more money to keep running than what it is worth. For a comparison it is full cromoly while another friend has a Sunday which has only a cromoly front triangle and his bike is a million times better and does not break even half as much as the fit does. The fit also costs almost three times as much.

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3/22/2016 6:45 AM

Dont forget about Terrible One. Great company, stacked team, rad dudes in general. Anytime you email them, Joe responds. American made frames. The world trip they sent their riders on was amazing. Now i am biased, because thats the only frames i have been riding since 2002, but they are a genuine rider owned company that cares about the products they put out. I also agree with Odyssey, and FBM. Crandall Rules.

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3/22/2016 6:59 AM

kinda disappointed to see that animal wasn't named. they put in some serious work all around NY. they also hook up a lot of affiliates whom aren't directly sponsored by the company. they've been round forever, not crazy expensive, and seriously long lasting (nearly unbreakable) parts.

for not doing so much...I'd say stranger. they were really cool before the switch (nothing against the new riders i like them all individually) but now i agree, they seem to just be trying to make money and thats it.

lastly, you guys hating on adam 22 are insane. here have been very few people who have given to and accomplished so much in bmx.
yea weed, whatever, but it could be worse.

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3/22/2016 7:17 AM

I feel like most bmx companies do atleast some good. Nike is bad but they are just a shoe company so they is kinda expected. I would say premium and stranger are probably the least good bike companies right now. Fbm is really great. They have atleast 3 jams coming up in the next month in my city one of which is in collaboration with animal. They always keep the good times rolling.

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3/22/2016 7:42 AM

I'm just gonna keep mine short and sweet...

Brands that support the locals by doing jams, road trips, or anything else to get kids stoked on riding is a company that is doing right by bmx in my book. Also a company that produces quality products and stands by those products is also a company that is doing good for bmx.

As for brands I feel are not doing good for bmx, I think any company that promotes drug use, violence, or any kind of negative image that can influence kids in a negative way is not good for bmx in any kind of way. Companies that produce products just for sales and don't care about the quality of their products are not good either.

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3/22/2016 8:21 AM

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kinda disappointed to see that animal wasn't named. they put in some serious work all around NY. they also hook up a lot of affiliates whom aren't directly sponsored by the company. they've been round forever, not crazy expensive, and seriously long lasting (nearly unbreakable) parts.

for not doing so much...I'd say stranger. they were really cool before the switch (nothing against the new riders i like them all individually) but now i agree, they seem to just be trying to make money and thats it.

lastly, you guys hating on adam 22 are insane. here have been very few people who have given to and accomplished so much in bmx.
yea weed, whatever, but it could be worse.

After watching a bunch of his interviews and podcasts, I have respect for Adam22. He may seem like an ass, but he's doing a lot of work to promote the industry.

Stranger seems to be trying to change their image, so for older guys, they look weird doing it.The core of business is making money, and I hope that with the image change and kids wanting to buy AdamLZ's parts, they will use that money to give back to the community.

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3/22/2016 8:33 AM

Bmx has gotten very over saturated theirs to many companies , less money for company's to make out their to invest into their futures

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3/22/2016 11:41 AM

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kinda disappointed to see that animal wasn't named. they put in some serious work all around NY. they also hook up a lot of affiliates whom aren't directly sponsored by the company. they've been round forever, not crazy expensive, and seriously long lasting (nearly unbreakable) parts.

for not doing so much...I'd say stranger. they were really cool before the switch (nothing against the new riders i like them all individually) but now i agree, they seem to just be trying to make money and thats it.

lastly, you guys hating on adam 22 are insane. here have been very few people who have given to and accomplished so much in bmx.
yea weed, whatever, but it could be worse.

For the Adam22 part, he just seems too cocky because his website got big. But the issue I have is that he bashes so many peoples' styles and lifestyle choices as though they are wrong.


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3/22/2016 12:40 PM

bigbrotherbmx wrote:

kinda disappointed to see that animal wasn't named. they put in some serious work all around NY. they also hook up a lot of affiliates whom aren't directly sponsored by the company. they've been round forever, not crazy expensive, and seriously long lasting (nearly unbreakable) parts.

for not doing so much...I'd say stranger. they were really cool before the switch (nothing against the new riders i like them all individually) but now i agree, they seem to just be trying to make money and thats it.

lastly, you guys hating on adam 22 are insane. here have been very few people who have given to and accomplished so much in bmx.
yea weed, whatever, but it could be worse.

dave lawrence wrote:

For the Adam22 part, he just seems too cocky because his website got big. But the issue I have is that he bashes so many peoples' styles and lifestyle choices as though they are wrong.


I just don't like the way he uses his site to say whatever he wants, no matter how biased or ill informed it is. And kids will believe it as if it's fact. He doesn't act responsible for someone so influential.
Plus I think he's money hungry, and half of what he does is purely so he can make a few quid. The kids enjoy it. But he certainly isn't what bmx is about.



But, ultimately, Eskimo hit the nail on the head. The market is saturated. I'm surprised companies like fbm, t1 etc are still going, but that's why I support them so much. So should everyone else. They put their hearts into what they do, not just make parts that kids will buy

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3/22/2016 1:19 PM

bmxer_yoshi wrote:

I'm just gonna keep mine short and sweet...

Brands that support the locals by doing jams, road trips, or anything else to get kids stoked on riding is a company that is doing right by bmx in my book. Also a company that produces quality products and stands by those products is also a company that is doing good for bmx.

As for brands I feel are not doing good for bmx, I think any company that promotes drug use, violence, or any kind of negative image that can influence kids in a negative way is not good for bmx in any kind of way. Companies that produce products just for sales and don't care about the quality of their products are not good either.

I agree here. Pros that act as role models to younger people from these companies that promote stuff like that usually directly impact those people, which could lead them to acting aggressive, which then puts other riders off of the sport. Drug use by pros will sometimes cause peer pressure from friends too, which could lead to addiction, getting in trouble with the police and even death. Even wearing helmets are influenced by if certain pros wear them or not. In my case, I used to think that if I wore a helmet it would be uncool, or I'd look like my mum was worried or something, but now I feel that both wearing one and not wearing one are equally as cool. No one really judges people by if they wear helmets and pads or not.

Brands that do jams and road trips etc are really good for the community, as they both provide fun for locals and help to spread the sport. These jams are also usually ones that are held by companies that make quality products, which shows that they care for their parts and for the sports community.

One thing I see a lot is that some good bmxers (Very few, not trying to make a generalisation about good riders) will sometimes insult new riders, and wont socialise with them from their own stuck up attitude. This makes those new riders reluctant to actually go and ride due to constantly being told 'You're crap' by these riders. It also means that these people won't be able to progress as well, as they would obviously need advice if they can't figure out how to do something.

However, I think that as a whole, we should all be proud of our community, since there are only a few dicks COUGH BEN LORSON COUGH in the community. We all help each other out, it's easy to make friends since you have the same interests and everyone is just very supportive of new riders. I feel as though those riders who make fun of new riders (Not as a joke) aren't really doing anything for the community, since if they make fun of starter outs, then no one will want to start riding any more.

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3/24/2016 3:32 PM

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3/25/2016 2:53 PM

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I agree here. Pros that act as role models to younger people from these companies that promote stuff like that usually directly impact those people, which could lead them to acting aggressive, which then puts other riders off of the sport. Drug use by pros will sometimes cause peer pressure from friends too, which could lead to addiction, getting in trouble with the police and even death. Even wearing helmets are influenced by if certain pros wear them or not. In my case, I used to think that if I wore a helmet it would be uncool, or I'd look like my mum was worried or something, but now I feel that both wearing one and not wearing one are equally as cool. No one really judges people by if they wear helmets and pads or not.

Brands that do jams and road trips etc are really good for the community, as they both provide fun for locals and help to spread the sport. These jams are also usually ones that are held by companies that make quality products, which shows that they care for their parts and for the sports community.

One thing I see a lot is that some good bmxers (Very few, not trying to make a generalisation about good riders) will sometimes insult new riders, and wont socialise with them from their own stuck up attitude. This makes those new riders reluctant to actually go and ride due to constantly being told 'You're crap' by these riders. It also means that these people won't be able to progress as well, as they would obviously need advice if they can't figure out how to do something.

However, I think that as a whole, we should all be proud of our community, since there are only a few dicks COUGH BEN LORSON COUGH in the community. We all help each other out, it's easy to make friends since you have the same interests and everyone is just very supportive of new riders. I feel as though those riders who make fun of new riders (Not as a joke) aren't really doing anything for the community, since if they make fun of starter outs, then no one will want to start riding any more.

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3/29/2016 11:29 AM

bigbrotherbmx wrote:

kinda disappointed to see that animal wasn't named. they put in some serious work all around NY. they also hook up a lot of affiliates whom aren't directly sponsored by the company. they've been round forever, not crazy expensive, and seriously long lasting (nearly unbreakable) parts.

for not doing so much...I'd say stranger. they were really cool before the switch (nothing against the new riders i like them all individually) but now i agree, they seem to just be trying to make money and thats it.

lastly, you guys hating on adam 22 are insane. here have been very few people who have given to and accomplished so much in bmx.
yea weed, whatever, but it could be worse.

dave lawrence wrote:

For the Adam22 part, he just seems too cocky because his website got big. But the issue I have is that he bashes so many peoples' styles and lifestyle choices as though they are wrong.


i think everyone who hates Adam hates him for other peoples reasons. most of which don't stand true anymore. using TCU to air his personal opinions isn't a thing anymore. all the cocky, douche, self centered criticism is old and honestly, doesn't fit him or TCU today.


but realistically even if you believe he's scum of the earth, he has still done so much positive for BMX that its ridiculous to say hes not doing anything or that he hasn't doe anything...

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