What would spin better ?

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7/28/2018 9:24 PM

BSD ALVX in 20.8 with a 12.5 back or a WTP Doomsayer in 20.5 and a 13" backend with a 11.9 BB ?

I'm more into twitchy frames and I want to go back to something smaller. I'm more aiming towards the doomsayer , I think it'll be pretty good for what I'm into , the specs seems pretty nutty . I'm just thinking a 12.5 backend might make it easier to 540 on the ALVX . I'm running a 13" chain stay now , and it's ok but I still want to spin faster . Would the 11.9 BB and shorter toptube help more than a 12.5 end ? I do a lot of fullcabs and grinds too so a high BB would be nice for grinds too. I have 165 cranks and smaller feet so sizing isnt much of an issue . I can get the ALVX for about 125$ cheaper too currently .

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7/28/2018 10:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/28/2018 10:12 PM

Tough to say , the shorter chainstays do spin faster but also loop out allot easier , if your already on a 13 I’d say switch it up , 12.5 seems a little extreme , give it a shot I try to never try new frames with the same specs as the the frame before always trying to check out new stuff helps with adaptation I think

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7/29/2018 2:35 AM

The wheelbase will be really similar. A higher bb is usually better for spins. But remember how quick the steering will feel on such a steep headangle, you'll have to carve slower otherwise you'll get sent otb. Dunno. I reckon both will feel horrible if you do a couple of cranks at something. If you're going slow you could probably do anything on them. But at least with the doomsayer you can put the wheel at the back of the dropouts (13.5") if it feels ridiculous. Both frames are a little extreme in my opinion

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7/29/2018 2:55 AM

I would go with the doomsayer but not with very steep forks, there are other ways to make things responsive without being very twitchy like shorter cranks and lighter tyres

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Hmmm

7/29/2018 12:15 PM

I do a lot of nose tricks so I think the 76.25 headube would be sweet compared to a 75.5 on the ALVX. I'm not exactly concerned with wheelbase specifics , more of what would FEEL more responsive . I'll probably end up waiting for the Doomsayer to come out , unless enough people say get the ALVX

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7/29/2018 12:23 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/29/2018 12:23 PM

Wait for the Doomsayer then tell me how it feels. I'm horrid at getting into Nose manuals, I can nose Manny concrete islands and stuff But I REALLY gotta huck myself over the front wheel on 75HTA w/ 28mm forks to even get near the balance point.

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7/29/2018 12:32 PM

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

I do a lot of nose tricks so I think the 76.25 headube would be sweet compared to a 75.5 on the ALVX. I'm not exactly concerned with wheelbase specifics , more of what would FEEL more responsive . I'll probably end up waiting for the Doomsayer to come out , unless enough people say get the ALVX

A 76.25 HT does sound pretty nice, be a lot easier for me to do some of my flatland tricks, only problem is the doomsayer rear end is a little longer than I’d prefer, then again my current rear end is longer than I prefer lmao.

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7/29/2018 12:35 PM

Phunny93 wrote:

Wait for the Doomsayer then tell me how it feels. I'm horrid at getting into Nose manuals, I can nose Manny concrete islands and stuff But I REALLY gotta huck myself over the front wheel on 75HTA w/ 28mm forks to even get near the balance point.

Ya I haven't messed with nose manuals yet but I've tinkered with hang fives and I feel as if that steel headtube would help quite a bit getting into them . Also really hoping the 11.9 BB will help for 540's

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7/29/2018 12:43 PM

I forgot to even answer the question. Here you go.
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Bro I guarantee nothing spins better.

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7/29/2018 1:17 PM
Edited Date/Time: 7/29/2018 1:17 PM

Shorter tt is usually easier to spin imo. 20.6 alvx would be best probably. I ride 19.5 and 12.4 cs and it spins fast haha. 11.65 bb height

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7/29/2018 1:21 PM

doomsayer with 15mm forks.
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7/29/2018 1:38 PM

Shorter chainstays for sure imo

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7/29/2018 2:45 PM

Four wrote:

Shorter tt is usually easier to spin imo. 20.6 alvx would be best probably. I ride 19.5 and 12.4 cs and it spins fast haha. 11.65 bb height

Pretty much the shorter anything is on a bike, the more responsive it is.
Now, time to design a 90deg HT bike with 0” CS and 15mm cranks, along with a 3”TT.
Perfect flatland bike bro.

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7/29/2018 3:15 PM

HavokDJ wrote:

Pretty much the shorter anything is on a bike, the more responsive it is.
Now, time to design a 90deg HT bike with 0” CS and 15mm cranks, along with a 3”TT.
Perfect flatland bike bro.

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7/29/2018 5:43 PM

Four wrote:

Shorter tt is usually easier to spin imo. 20.6 alvx would be best probably. I ride 19.5 and 12.4 cs and it spins fast haha. 11.65 bb height

HavokDJ wrote:

Pretty much the shorter anything is on a bike, the more responsive it is.
Now, time to design a 90deg HT bike with 0” CS and 15mm cranks, along with a 3”TT.
Perfect flatland bike bro.

Bryan91 wrote: Photo

whoever designed that should receive an award

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7/29/2018 6:57 PM

HavokDJ wrote:

Pretty much the shorter anything is on a bike, the more responsive it is.
Now, time to design a 90deg HT bike with 0” CS and 15mm cranks, along with a 3”TT.
Perfect flatland bike bro.

Bryan91 wrote: Photo

jiminyu wrote:

whoever designed that should receive an award

10/10 sexiest flatland bike. The innovative design allows you to stay on the pedals while being on the rear axle.

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7/29/2018 6:59 PM

Will a 20.5 toptube and 11.9 BB with a 13" end make a considerable difference in spin compared to my 21" TT and 11.65 BB with a 13" end ? Or is it better to just go and get a Cult 2 Short in 20.5 with a 12.5 chainstay and call it a day?

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7/29/2018 11:27 PM

Bryan91 wrote: Photo

jiminyu wrote:

whoever designed that should receive an award

HavokDJ wrote:

10/10 sexiest flatland bike. The innovative design allows you to stay on the pedals while being on the rear axle.

Can it coast or straight up crank IS the axle?

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7/29/2018 11:43 PM

Have a look at the WTP Battleship specs. 12.7 slammed and 13 centred cc, 20.75 tt, and bb height is 11.7. its a great frame, I've had it for a while and its held up pretty well.

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7/30/2018 4:10 AM

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Coming soon in bmx.

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7/30/2018 7:20 AM

Bulletpup wrote:

Can it coast or straight up crank IS the axle?

This bad boy does it all:

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7/30/2018 7:32 AM

Francky wrote: Photo

Coming soon in bmx.

The shortest CS possible would be a 10" CS if you has something like this, wouldn't it?

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7/30/2018 9:02 AM

Four wrote:

Shorter tt is usually easier to spin imo. 20.6 alvx would be best probably. I ride 19.5 and 12.4 cs and it spins fast haha. 11.65 bb height

HavokDJ wrote:

Pretty much the shorter anything is on a bike, the more responsive it is.
Now, time to design a 90deg HT bike with 0” CS and 15mm cranks, along with a 3”TT.
Perfect flatland bike bro.

Bryan91 wrote: Photo

dead laughing laughing laughing

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7/30/2018 10:16 AM

Lol. With the fat tire trend riders will have to be permanently squatting from how wide the cranks will be.

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7/30/2018 2:32 PM

Decided against both and have another idea instead . Thanks for the replies

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