Wheel too far back??

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5/4/2013 3:14 AM

So, this is how my back wheel sits in the dropouts, with 25-9 gearing and no half link.. you fellas think it's ok like that or too far out? i have a half link, but decided to remove it and according to my research it should sit at a little bit under 12.95" w/ a half link and 13.19" without.. the Sunday website lists the cs length as 13"-13.25" but Danscomp has it as 12.8"-13.375" which seems more accurate.. like 12.8" being slammed, 13" being the middle of the dropouts and 13.375" being the end of the dropouts.. but now i'm all confused.. so, how far is too far?










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5/4/2013 3:17 AM

That's fine man I've actually run my wheel far enough back that the axle hung out of the drop outs by nearly half the axle

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5/4/2013 5:03 AM

just make sure the bolts are tight and it will be fine.. no biggie..

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5/4/2013 5:38 AM

Thanks, gentlemen.. i was just wondering if there was a risk of it snapping, but i've never even heard of a dropout breaking, except on old school frames.. plus, it's a sunday, which is supposed to have dropouts stronger than most other brands.. so i doubt there'd be a problem anytime soon..

feltbikesbike, i usually tighten the crap out of my wheels anyaway, ever since i bombed a hill a couple years back, only to realize, when i finally got to the bottom, that one of the nuts (lolz) on my front wheel was completely loose..

gump, i'd have been scared shitless to have it that far out.. but then i'd probably say 'fuck it' and try to demolish it.. i do that with stock parts that i know will break eventually anyway..

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5/4/2013 5:52 AM

If you run pegs, i wouldnt run it like that, my friend had his like that and he was doing a rail and his peg caught on the underside and it bent his dropout open.

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5/4/2013 6:57 AM

Brokenbmx wrote:

If you run pegs, i wouldnt run it like that, my friend had his like that and he was doing a rail and his peg caught on the underside and it bent his dropout open.

Nah.. no pegs, no grinds.. and i wear size 12s, so i'd need a longer cs for peg clearance.. i have a frame for that though.. would any company warranty a frame, for a bent dropout?

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5/4/2013 7:05 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/4/2013 7:06 AM

Brokenbmx wrote:

If you run pegs, i wouldnt run it like that, my friend had his like that and he was doing a rail and his peg caught on the underside and it bent his dropout open.

Jèff_Béckförd wrote:

Nah.. no pegs, no grinds.. and i wear size 12s, so i'd need a longer cs for peg clearance.. i have a frame for that though.. would any company warranty a frame, for a bent dropout?

unlikely but worth a try
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5/4/2013 7:14 AM

You could just get a half link and put it in. Or get a half link chain and you can slam it or whatever.lol

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5/4/2013 7:17 AM

Wow 1000 and i've been on here a year and a half longer than you.. lol

If i ever have an issue with anything, i don't hesitate to email someone about it.. it's surprising, although it shouldn't be, how committed some brands are about backing their products.. like when cult sent me a new sprocket after i sent them a pic and sales invoice for the broken one, odyssey sent me a brand new bluebird when mine broke, and sunday sending me a new freeze while letting me send in the broken one whenever..

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5/4/2013 7:20 AM

Mikel8149 wrote:

You could just get a half link and put it in. Or get a half link chain and you can slam it or whatever.lol

i got a half link, a few actually.. but i wanted to try it out for little bit, to see if i'd like it.. been raining a lot here, so i've been inside a lot more and getting creative with the bike.

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5/4/2013 7:28 AM

Mikel8149 wrote:

You could just get a half link and put it in. Or get a half link chain and you can slam it or whatever.lol

Jèff_Béckförd wrote:

i got a half link, a few actually.. but i wanted to try it out for little bit, to see if i'd like it.. been raining a lot here, so i've been inside a lot more and getting creative with the bike.

I have a full half link chain and it is a pain in the ass to get the back wheel closer to the inside of the dropout and when i take 1 link out and put the chain back together and try to put if around my sprocket (MDS) it won't go around all the way i guess because the guard part but it's so annoying. And i've tried to put the link in with the chain around the sprocket and around my driver and when it didn't work i gave up.

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5/4/2013 8:54 AM

your probably fine. how tight is your chain when its that far back.

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5/4/2013 10:01 AM

It's fine. But just make sure you tighten the bolts pretty decently. As mentioned, I wouldn't ride pegs either. Should be fine

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5/4/2013 12:36 PM

youll be fine I ride my wheel farther back then that and It doesn't give me any problems just make sure your bolts are tight

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5/4/2013 4:51 PM

I doubt most company's would warranty a dropout but if anyone would it would be Sunday. I've heard of a pinched Sunday dropout but never a bent out one

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5/4/2013 9:47 PM

I ride pegs and my axle is this far back. And with my masterlink and full link chain, it's as slammed as possible. My dropouts are pretty small and the left side is just a teeny bit bent by what my eye can see but that doesn't really bother me. I'm about to get a halflink soon just to have a tradeoff between closer wheel and a stretched chain.

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5/4/2013 10:22 PM

how do you like that frame ?

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5/5/2013 9:20 AM

justin vogelsberger wrote:

how do you like that frame ?

The frame is amazing, i thought it would have been way twitchier or almost as twitchy as my cult w/ 28mm offset forks, but a half a degree steeper ht with 33mm offset forks feels so perfect.. half an inch shorter in the back felt odd at first, but i've gotten used to it and the integrated chain tensioners have saved me hours of hassle..

i just wish the dropouts were a bit further back so that i wouldn't need a half link to get the wheel further in.. not that i'm totally opposed to them, i just prefer not to use them.. it's been great so far with the wheel like that.. it adds something like a quarter inch to the wheel base.. i like it a lot..

@Mikel8149 the mds is an awesome sprocket, but if you're trying to run 27-9 or 28-9, things get odd real fast.. but if your cs measurement gives you a range of options within a third of an inch, a half link should solve that issue easily..

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5/5/2013 9:29 AM

justin vogelsberger wrote:

how do you like that frame ?

Jèff_Béckförd wrote:

The frame is amazing, i thought it would have been way twitchier or almost as twitchy as my cult w/ 28mm offset forks, but a half a degree steeper ht with 33mm offset forks feels so perfect.. half an inch shorter in the back felt odd at first, but i've gotten used to it and the integrated chain tensioners have saved me hours of hassle..

i just wish the dropouts were a bit further back so that i wouldn't need a half link to get the wheel further in.. not that i'm totally opposed to them, i just prefer not to use them.. it's been great so far with the wheel like that.. it adds something like a quarter inch to the wheel base.. i like it a lot..

@Mikel8149 the mds is an awesome sprocket, but if you're trying to run 27-9 or 28-9, things get odd real fast.. but if your cs measurement gives you a range of options within a third of an inch, a half link should solve that issue easily..

if you rode four pegs would you clip your foot on the back peg ?

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5/5/2013 9:35 AM
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I would^

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5/5/2013 11:20 AM

Pegs on anything shorter than 13.75 messes me up.. I ran pegs on 13.55 with some 170mm cranks i had laying around.. it actually felt great doing some things, having my feet closer together, but pedaling felt like crap..

i really want to try a mirraco chocolate or something close to it..

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5/5/2013 4:24 PM

It looks fine to me.
I wouldn't ride pegs with it like that though.

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5/5/2013 8:10 PM

anyone above that said its okay to ride like that please go kill yourself

this is actually becoming a big thing where after market frames are being made like completes with retarded chain stay lengths causing shit like this to happen

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5/5/2013 8:12 PM

plzdntfailmeagn wrote:

anyone above that said its okay to ride like that please go kill yourself

this is actually becoming a big thing where after market frames are being made like completes with retarded chain stay lengths causing shit like this to happen

You're a fucking retard.

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5/5/2013 8:16 PM

Jèff_Béckförd wrote:

Pegs on anything shorter than 13.75 messes me up.. I ran pegs on 13.55 with some 170mm cranks i had laying around.. it actually felt great doing some things, having my feet closer together, but pedaling felt like crap..

i really want to try a mirraco chocolate or something close to it..

i hate how the chocolate feels. 11.5bb and 74.5 ht and 13.65 slammed cs feels so sluggish. it just bothersme. my friend that has it even hates it

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5/5/2013 8:21 PM

plzdntfailmeagn wrote:

anyone above that said its okay to ride like that please go kill yourself

this is actually becoming a big thing where after market frames are being made like completes with retarded chain stay lengths causing shit like this to happen

It seems like you came back to Vital only to shit on companies now days, making parts weaker and hubs that skip.
We got it, and guess what, we don't give one single fuck.
Go out and ride and come back here when you got something clever to say.

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5/5/2013 8:22 PM

Why can't frames go back to longer drop outs? I really hate tiny drop out's because if your wheel isn't slammed then you wheel will be like this guys wheel. I don't see any problem making it like 1 or 2 inches longer just to have the extra space. :/

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5/5/2013 8:23 PM

andyferly wrote:

It seems like you came back to Vital only to shit on companies now days, making parts weaker and hubs that skip.
We got it, and guess what, we don't give one single fuck.
Go out and ride and come back here when you got something clever to say.

It's a conspiracy. Frame companies are part of the Illuminati and are out to upset him and see how butthurt they can make him.


FYI this guy's a conspiracy nut that's why I said that haha

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5/5/2013 8:26 PM

Mikel8149 wrote:

Why can't frames go back to longer drop outs? I really hate tiny drop out's because if your wheel isn't slammed then you wheel will be like this guys wheel. I don't see any problem making it like 1 or 2 inches longer just to have the extra space. :/

I think that making the dropout longer would make it weaker especially on the furthest point.

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5/5/2013 8:30 PM

Mikel8149 wrote:

Why can't frames go back to longer drop outs? I really hate tiny drop out's because if your wheel isn't slammed then you wheel will be like this guys wheel. I don't see any problem making it like 1 or 2 inches longer just to have the extra space. :/

andyferly wrote:

I think that making the dropout longer would make it weaker especially on the furthest point.

They could make it wider or something like that. I'm pretty sure company's can figure something out.

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