Which bike?

Fly or verde.

grumpySteve wrote:

Fly or verde.

grumpySteve wrote:

Fly or verde.

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Thanks for input. I really think both of them look amazing.

Why would you go for these?

The proton 2015 is better than the 16, 16 isn't full chromo or 21 inches, it 20.7 I think, maybe 20.75. The sprocket isn't as tough, but it's a better frame to build on.

http://m.vitalbmx.com/forums/General-BMX-Talk,2/Which-bike-should-I-get,1308035


http://m.vitalbmx.com/forums/General-BMX-Talk,2/Verde-Neyer-Pro-Vs-Fly-Proton,1307904


http://www.albes.com/fly-bikes-proton-2015-bike-sale/

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

The proton 2015 is better than the 16, 16 isn't full chromo or 21 inches, it 20.7 I think, maybe 20.75. The sprocket isn't as ...more

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

The proton 2015 is better than the 16, 16 isn't full chromo or 21 inches, it 20.7 I think, maybe 20.75. The sprocket isn't as tough, but it's a better frame to build on.

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Thanks,

I've been looking at the 2015 also. Donno about the yellow color though:

https://www.kunstform.org/en/flybikes-proton-2015-bmx-bike-p-7166

It's sick, look at mine in the bike checks,

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

It's sick, look at mine in the bike checks,

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

It's sick, look at mine in the bike checks,

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Yes, don't get me wrong. It's very clean.

Just not sure I want to stand out as much, being a crappy new-old rider =)

I kinda suck with how long I've been out of it, and never being that good to begin with, lol. Who Cates what people will think, do what you want, have fun, and you won't even notice what they think. Might be able to find it in black or green if you look hard

http://www.empirebmx.com/flybikes-proton-bike-2015

Yellow is the only lhd, but the cranks are universal. I have my lhd wheel sitting in my closet, it's a little crroked, but almost not noticeable when riding. Id let it go, however I feel you'd be better off with something nicer.

There is this one I could get second hand from a guy close to me: but 3500 kr /430 USD) seems a little steep.

Its from 2015 with a new dubble-wall Hoffman back rim,

http://www.blocket.se/malmo/Flybikes_neutron_Bmx_65979377.htm?ca=23_11&w=1

(not a great picture)

Offer him $390 (or your equivalent) and maybe you get lucky, is it a whole new wheel, or just a new rim?

I bought mine here in Okinawa, and didn't want to pay for shopping or wait for it, so I had to eat some mark up(cost me $630 out here, 2 days later Albe's had it on sale)

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

I bought mine here in Okinawa, and didn't want to pay for shopping or wait for it, so I had to eat some mark up(cost me $630 ...more

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

I bought mine here in Okinawa, and didn't want to pay for shopping or wait for it, so I had to eat some mark up(cost me $630 out here, 2 days later Albe's had it on sale)

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This one is a 2015 Nutron due to the add. What is the main difference between that and Proton?

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

Offer him $390 (or your equivalent) and maybe you get lucky, is it a whole new wheel, or just a new rim?

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

Offer him $390 (or your equivalent) and maybe you get lucky, is it a whole new wheel, or just a new rim?

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The tires look the same (got some new pictures) so I guess it is just the rim that is new.

Frame geometry, but that sure looks like a proton. See if you can get more pics.

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

Frame geometry, but that sure looks like a proton. See if you can get more pics.

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

Frame geometry, but that sure looks like a proton. See if you can get more pics.

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Yes it is a Proton 2015. I questioned it and he agreed.

How much better is this Orion 2016?

http://www.unleadedbmx.com/gb/bmx-flybikes-2016-orion-21-trans-brown-lhd-test-bike-4107.html

They're 590 American on Dan's, and it seems to have nicer rims, sprocket, hubs, maybe fork, and the frame has built in chain tensioners

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

They're 590 American on Dan's, and it seems to have nicer rims, sprocket, hubs, maybe fork, and the frame has built in chain ...more

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

They're 590 American on Dan's, and it seems to have nicer rims, sprocket, hubs, maybe fork, and the frame has built in chain tensioners

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Thanks,

Think I maybe understand half of that so maybe it is better than what I need

This one is a demo-ex and goes for 615 USD (everything so much expensive in Europe). Otherwise this costs 720 USD in EU.

I'd take the Orion and save up for some new cranks, and then ride the rear wheel till you mess it up

And what I said before, the sprocket(gear, chainwheel, chainring) is a quite nice one, the hubs(the center of the wheel, contains the axles, bearings, connected to the spokes, contains rear gear) the rims(the outer part of the wheel, connected to the spokes, the tire is on the rim) the fork looks to be better, at least they include some specs, and the chain tensioner is a mechanism to push or pull(push in this case) the rear axle back to tighten the chain.

http://m.vitalbmx.com/product/main/?parts

This should have links that will show and describe all the parts, and help with what to look for, and how to maintain.

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

And what I said before, the sprocket(gear, chainwheel, chainring) is a quite nice one, the hubs(the center of the wheel, ...more

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

And what I said before, the sprocket(gear, chainwheel, chainring) is a quite nice one, the hubs(the center of the wheel, contains the axles, bearings, connected to the spokes, contains rear gear) the rims(the outer part of the wheel, connected to the spokes, the tire is on the rim) the fork looks to be better, at least they include some specs, and the chain tensioner is a mechanism to push or pull(push in this case) the rear axle back to tighten the chain.

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Thanks for being so educational!

I understans what most parts are, but not all about the quality between different Stems or hubs etc.

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

I'd take the Orion and save up for some new cranks, and then ride the rear wheel till you mess it up

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

I'd take the Orion and save up for some new cranks, and then ride the rear wheel till you mess it up

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Do you by that mean that the cranks is the weakest part of the Orion?

If they're the same as the 2015, I believe so, and no problem, and chances are, if it's a model that's been out for a while( like the s&m red neck xlt) its probably good, as they wouldn't sell so well for so long if they weren't good. Odyssey, s&m, are companies that in general fit this trend, as the companies have been in the business for years. If you're unsure if a part you like is worth it, post it up here.

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

If they're the same as the 2015, I believe so, and no problem, and chances are, if it's a model that's been out for a while( ...more

Robby-Joe_Douglas wrote:

If they're the same as the 2015, I believe so, and no problem, and chances are, if it's a model that's been out for a while( like the s&m red neck xlt) its probably good, as they wouldn't sell so well for so long if they weren't good. Odyssey, s&m, are companies that in general fit this trend, as the companies have been in the business for years. If you're unsure if a part you like is worth it, post it up here.

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Ah I see.

So you would go for the Orion over Verde Radia 2015?

I have never messed with any Verde products, so I won't speak against it. I have ridden all three 2015 flys and owned their parts before, I like them.

Ok, so I've narrowed it down to two top contenders:

1. Flybikes Orion 2016, 615 USD/540 EUR

2. Verde Radia 2015, 650 USD/570 EUR

Or should I even go all in on a Verde Luxe 2015 or Flybike Omega 2016 (freecoasters!)... so hard...

Unfortunately none of these has freecoasters. Was sort of looking forward to a silent bike...

Price is not really a major issue, but I don't wanna be/feel like one of these mediocre guys having way to fancy bike. Have a hard time knowing just how much I'm gonna ride.

It pretty much just comes down to which colour you prefer. They're both good enough for someone new to riding, but it's a complete bike so no one's going to look down on you for having a nice bike.

I think it's a false economy for anyone to spend less than that on a bike tbh.

grumpySteve wrote:

It pretty much just comes down to which colour you prefer. They're both good enough for someone new to riding, but it's a ...more

grumpySteve wrote:

It pretty much just comes down to which colour you prefer. They're both good enough for someone new to riding, but it's a complete bike so no one's going to look down on you for having a nice bike.

I think it's a false economy for anyone to spend less than that on a bike tbh.

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Thanks,

So maybe I should even go for the Luxe or Omega...

I can get the Radia (or Luxe) from a good shop (both real store and online) in my hometown some 300 km from where I live. At least I support somwthing real and local...