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8/13/2014 8:37 AM

I dont know which to get... Based on quality and price... I'm also wanting to adjust slack which the primo one does not but i dont know if the shadow one does i havent seen anything about it...

Choice 1: Primo freemix pro lhd polished comes with both guards -175 but no slack adjustment

Choice 2: Shadow raptor freecoaster lhd polished -170$ + 20$ for dg guard and i dont know if you can adjust slack can someone tell me?

If i get the shadow my wheels will match because i have the front shadow raptor hub.

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8/13/2014 9:28 AM

As far as I know th primo is the only one that DOESNT have adjustable slack. Why wait for the shadow coaster? 99% of Freecoasters are the same, just with a different hub shell

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8/13/2014 9:41 AM
Edited Date/Time: 8/13/2014 9:43 AM

bmxfromma wrote:

As far as I know th primo is the only one that DOESNT have adjustable slack. Why wait for the shadow coaster? 99% of Freecoasters are the same, just with a different hub shell

No wait. the shadow is available. And personally I say go for the colony coaster. My friend has one and it has 4 super thin washers along with the tophat washer. And considering most coasters only have a tophat and 2 washers, the colony allows for finer adjustments than the rest. The internals are still the same as any other khe style coaster

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8/13/2014 12:10 PM

i would go for the freemix purely because you shouldn't ever have to use anything other than full slack, and it is less parts so it would likely be a more solid choice
i rode one a bit ago and it felt really solid
the shadow has the needle bearings right? the cult hasnt had the best reception, idk if its the needle bearings, but i would stick with a tried and true khe design with a thrust bearing as its been used for years, not just out for 6 months
the thin washer idea is a non-issue, you can always get 100 spacers at home depot and sand them a tiny bit to dial it in (providing you have calipers)

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8/13/2014 3:11 PM

Might as well get a freemix. Love my friends and ordered the pro on last saturday. Dont think its crank flip-able but i havent tried them.

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8/13/2014 7:37 PM

joshcooldude wrote:

Might as well get a freemix. Love my friends and ordered the pro on last saturday. Dont think its crank flip-able but i havent tried them.

Crankflips should be easier actually, no pawls/springs so they'll flip faster. Unless you're in fakie I guess.

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8/13/2014 7:46 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Crankflips should be easier actually, no pawls/springs so they'll flip faster. Unless you're in fakie I guess.

No...

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8/13/2014 8:19 PM

Hubs don't really affect crank flips. Chain tension and crank tightness do

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8/13/2014 9:23 PM

bmxfromma wrote:

Hubs don't really affect crank flips. Chain tension and crank tightness do

then youve never tried to crankflip a coaster without a thrust bearing

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8/13/2014 9:56 PM

bmxfromma wrote:

Hubs don't really affect crank flips. Chain tension and crank tightness do

bmxsteve99 wrote:

then youve never tried to crankflip a coaster without a thrust bearing

yea if youre really set on crankflips you might as well get a federal and polish it yourself

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8/13/2014 10:14 PM

Primo is the best coaster out and I actually ride a coaster and know how to maintain one. I even convinced BMXSteve to get a Primo and he seems opininated about parts , so yah. No adjustable slack , popnlock guards on both sides : It's easy to decide.

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8/15/2014 8:38 AM

Brayden_Buckingham wrote:

Primo is the best coaster out and I actually ride a coaster and know how to maintain one. I even convinced BMXSteve to get a Primo and he seems opininated about parts , so yah. No adjustable slack , popnlock guards on both sides : It's easy to decide.

So because you have a freecoaster and managed to take it apart that makes you know which is the best no matter what other people say? Mmmmmmmmk.

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8/15/2014 8:43 AM

Buy a salt devil devil devil

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8/15/2014 12:17 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Crankflips should be easier actually, no pawls/springs so they'll flip faster. Unless you're in fakie I guess.

Only if there is a thrust bearing. If not, you are not easily crankflipping a coaster. I have had two over the years. It takes the correct lube to make those happen in one without that bearing.

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8/15/2014 2:25 PM

eskimojay wrote:

Buy a salt devil devil devil

honestly contrary to what everyone thinks, i had a really good experience with my ezra and i never had any breakage problems and the engagement felt better than my khe ever did, and its on the second owner and going strong, i would imagine the salt would be just as good or better
only thing that sucks is ezra customer service, asked months ago for an extra set of slack disks and springs, today got a package with a single spring, a washer and 1 fucking slack disk. jesus christ they are incompetent
only thing i ever didnt like was the lack of slack, i like as much as possible and max slack wasnt very much compared to me reverse
and in response to eddimundo, knowing how a freecoaster works probably provides more insight into a hub design that blind customer loyalty.

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8/15/2014 2:28 PM

plus the hub guard that pressed onto the shell directly was fucking genius
rolled with the hub to reduce friction, was made from thick plastic so it slid better and didnt wear as quick as the bsd barrier, and were around 7 apiece

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8/15/2014 2:37 PM

Xxohioanxx wrote:

No...

Yes..., the cranks spin backwards faster on a coaster if it is greased properly. The springs slow them down quite a bit on a cassette

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8/15/2014 2:41 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Yes..., the cranks spin backwards faster on a coaster if it is greased properly. The springs slow them down quite a bit on a cassette

you sir, are very wrong
even with a thrust bearing, its harder than a cassette in my experience

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8/15/2014 4:05 PM

eskimojay wrote:

Buy a salt devil devil devil

bmxsteve99 wrote:

honestly contrary to what everyone thinks, i had a really good experience with my ezra and i never had any breakage problems and the engagement felt better than my khe ever did, and its on the second owner and going strong, i would imagine the salt would be just as good or better
only thing that sucks is ezra customer service, asked months ago for an extra set of slack disks and springs, today got a package with a single spring, a washer and 1 fucking slack disk. jesus christ they are incompetent
only thing i ever didnt like was the lack of slack, i like as much as possible and max slack wasnt very much compared to me reverse
and in response to eddimundo, knowing how a freecoaster works probably provides more insight into a hub design that blind customer loyalty.

Me and you are just not on the same wavelength. I say something and you take it completely different to how it was meant. 'Primo is the best coaster out and I actually ride a coaster and know how to maintain one.' Primo has the same internels as most, and just because someone knows how to maintain it (which really isnt hard AT ALL) doesnt mean they know what theyre on about. Just saying. And i dont know where you were coming from with the customer loyalty thing, my coaster is the only thing ive EVER owned from cult, im really not very big on them, but the addition the the tapered needle bearing made their coaster (on paper) a step ahead the rest.

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8/15/2014 4:24 PM

get a coaster yo can take apart semi easily LOL. greasing coasters is pretty much a necessity

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8/15/2014 5:06 PM

eskimojay wrote:

Buy a salt devil devil devil

bmxsteve99 wrote:

honestly contrary to what everyone thinks, i had a really good experience with my ezra and i never had any breakage problems and the engagement felt better than my khe ever did, and its on the second owner and going strong, i would imagine the salt would be just as good or better
only thing that sucks is ezra customer service, asked months ago for an extra set of slack disks and springs, today got a package with a single spring, a washer and 1 fucking slack disk. jesus christ they are incompetent
only thing i ever didnt like was the lack of slack, i like as much as possible and max slack wasnt very much compared to me reverse
and in response to eddimundo, knowing how a freecoaster works probably provides more insight into a hub design that blind customer loyalty.

EddiMundo wrote:

Me and you are just not on the same wavelength. I say something and you take it completely different to how it was meant. 'Primo is the best coaster out and I actually ride a coaster and know how to maintain one.' Primo has the same internels as most, and just because someone knows how to maintain it (which really isnt hard AT ALL) doesnt mean they know what theyre on about. Just saying. And i dont know where you were coming from with the customer loyalty thing, my coaster is the only thing ive EVER owned from cult, im really not very big on them, but the addition the the tapered needle bearing made their coaster (on paper) a step ahead the rest.

my statements (not the ezra related comments) were directed at a lot of people i know, not you specifically, but I do agree that anecdotal experience has more merit than theoretical analyzation
i am sorry that my comments came off as aggressive, it was not meant to sound like that

saying that the primo is the best is a bad and opinionated statement (freecoaster quality isnt easily quantified for a head to head comparison), as most of the freecoasters each have a feature that makes them good. primo has less moving parts, the cult has the needle bearings, the salt/ezra requires a bit less maintenance, but each also have downsides: primo is stuck with one slack option, the needle bearings in the cult (among others) are pretty expensive to replace in the case of part failure, and the ezra uses the slack disks as a sacrifical part (component designed to fail and take more abuse than other parts because of its easy/cheap to replace nature)

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8/15/2014 5:17 PM
Edited Date/Time: 8/15/2014 5:18 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Yes..., the cranks spin backwards faster on a coaster if it is greased properly. The springs slow them down quite a bit on a cassette

If you've even fucking ridden a coaster once you would know you're fucking wrong. Coasters aren't fucking magically frictionless.

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8/15/2014 5:17 PM

If i were to replace my Rush v2 i would get a Freemix or the Colony one, I've seen and heard good things about both.

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8/15/2014 6:22 PM

Xxohioanxx wrote:

No...

notorious NIG wrote:

Yes..., the cranks spin backwards faster on a coaster if it is greased properly. The springs slow them down quite a bit on a cassette

Xxohioanxx wrote:

If you've even fucking ridden a coaster once you would know you're fucking wrong. Coasters aren't fucking magically frictionless.

Jesus dude how about you apply some actual information to what you're saying instead of typing 'fucking' 6 times. Obviously it probably depends on what coaster and what cassette you're comparing. not to mention chain tension and maybe even the way you flip them. Neither of us is dead wrong or right, so you can stop acting like it. But just in general, it makes complete sense as to why coasters would flip easier, they don't have the springs and pawls like a cassette to slow them down. And yes I'm talking the ones with thrust bearings because this guy is addressing buying a new coaster, and I might be wrong but I think most if not all of the ones out now have them.

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8/15/2014 6:30 PM

i ride a freecoaster and while it is crankflippable, cassettes are MUCH easier to crankflip lolol

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8/15/2014 7:01 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Yes..., the cranks spin backwards faster on a coaster if it is greased properly. The springs slow them down quite a bit on a cassette

Xxohioanxx wrote:

If you've even fucking ridden a coaster once you would know you're fucking wrong. Coasters aren't fucking magically frictionless.

notorious NIG wrote:

Jesus dude how about you apply some actual information to what you're saying instead of typing 'fucking' 6 times. Obviously it probably depends on what coaster and what cassette you're comparing. not to mention chain tension and maybe even the way you flip them. Neither of us is dead wrong or right, so you can stop acting like it. But just in general, it makes complete sense as to why coasters would flip easier, they don't have the springs and pawls like a cassette to slow them down. And yes I'm talking the ones with thrust bearings because this guy is addressing buying a new coaster, and I might be wrong but I think most if not all of the ones out now have them.

Nope, coasters have massive friction in the clutch mechanism, makes it alot harder to crankflip, with cassettes you are flipping against teeny leaf springs,

Even with a thrust bearing they arent anything like flipping a cassette, coming from someone who had a federal v2 for years and modded to take a thrust bearing.

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8/15/2014 7:08 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Jesus dude how about you apply some actual information to what you're saying instead of typing 'fucking' 6 times. Obviously it probably depends on what coaster and what cassette you're comparing. not to mention chain tension and maybe even the way you flip them. Neither of us is dead wrong or right, so you can stop acting like it. But just in general, it makes complete sense as to why coasters would flip easier, they don't have the springs and pawls like a cassette to slow them down. And yes I'm talking the ones with thrust bearings because this guy is addressing buying a new coaster, and I might be wrong but I think most if not all of the ones out now have them.

Have you ever even ridden a freecoaster and tried one?

If not, then your argument is irrelevant.

I've ridden friend's freecoasters, and I have crankflips dialed, and could barely do one on a Rush v2 coaster (unsure if that has a thrust bearing or not.)

But as stated, there's A LOT of friction in a freecoaster hub. To say crankflipping a coaster is easier than a cassette is idiotic. If your chain is tight as fuck with no lube, and your driver has no lube in it along with the nut being super tight, then yeah maybe then a coaster will flip easier.

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8/15/2014 7:21 PM

notorious NIG wrote:

Jesus dude how about you apply some actual information to what you're saying instead of typing 'fucking' 6 times. Obviously it probably depends on what coaster and what cassette you're comparing. not to mention chain tension and maybe even the way you flip them. Neither of us is dead wrong or right, so you can stop acting like it. But just in general, it makes complete sense as to why coasters would flip easier, they don't have the springs and pawls like a cassette to slow them down. And yes I'm talking the ones with thrust bearings because this guy is addressing buying a new coaster, and I might be wrong but I think most if not all of the ones out now have them.

you are one stubborn motherfucker, making claims without any understanding of freecoaster internals and no real world experience. if you have no experience or understanding of how it works, your opinion doesn't matter. your statement that it is easier because it has no springs or pawls is like saying a carbon fiber race frame will be stronger than a street frame because it has no welds.

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8/15/2014 7:49 PM

How about we all just agree to disagree. We all know that friction = harder crankflips. There are tons of variables.

It is what it is.

Can we agree bikes can be fun?

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