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My MirraCo frame has a headset similar to this - http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=75328
It has cups which go into the frame, then has ball bearings inside these cups..
My question is, can I swap to these - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110996707917
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It doesn't have the bits that go into the frame so how would I fit them?
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Nope it's a standard headset I'm pretty sure, not too familiar with it but it's not integrated.
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So I couldn't fit the second one? I'd have to go with one which is designed like the top one?
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MattSheffield wrote:
Does anybody run these headsets anymore? They seem rubbish!
They have been outdated by Integrated Headsets, but they're not really any worse. Integrated is still a bit better though, and that's why everyone uses it now.
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MattSheffield wrote:
Hmm, thinking about just buying a new frame at this rate
Thanks for your help
Like I said, there is nothing wrong with a Standard headset at all.
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You could get the Mechanik STI, it makes a standard headset into a intergrated. 
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MattSheffield wrote:
So I couldn't fit the second one? I'd have to go with one which is designed like the top one?
Naw mate you would need a standard headset. They're not terrible but I prefer integrated, if you want to a new frame would probably be good to get it all updated and new stuff is cool : D
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FreddyDapice wrote:
You could get the Mechanik STI, it makes a standard headset into a intergrated.
This.
Standard headsets aren't bad, all or at least most MTBs still use em.
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FreddyDapice wrote:
You could get the Mechanik STI, it makes a standard headset into a intergrated.
andyferly wrote:
This.
Standard headsets aren't bad, all or at least most MTBs still use em.
Not true. Integrated Headsets have been on Mountain Bikes since before they were on BMX Frames, but while they tend to appear on BMXes in the ~$2-300 Mark, Mountain Bikes with Integrated headsets seem to be $4-500+.
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My mirraco black pearl uses a standard headset.. but i love the frame's geo and it has a lifetime warranty on the frame and fork..
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personally i would throw your mirra co in the bin and get a United SU3 or a Kink
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FreddyDapice wrote:
You could get the Mechanik STI, it makes a standard headset into a intergrated.
andyferly wrote:
This.
Standard headsets aren't bad, all or at least most MTBs still use em.BMX_Forever wrote:
Not true. Integrated Headsets have been on Mountain Bikes since before they were on BMX Frames, but while they tend to appear on BMXes in the ~$2-300 Mark, Mountain Bikes with Integrated headsets seem to be $4-500+.
I never saw a MTB with an integrated, maybe because I'm just not into it.
I have see some scooter kids with integrated headsets though.
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I am ashamed at how no one has mentioned the Mechanik STI except Kevin.. If it's still on Danscomp, its $20. Go buy it, hammer out your cups and fork bearing race and replace them with the one included in the conversion kit. Then install it with some tips online or something. Better then to buy another gay standard headset for like $40 and have it blow out again.
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isnowyaznV2 wrote:
I am ashamed at how no one has mentioned the Mechanik STI except Kevin.. If it's still on Danscomp, its $20. Go buy it, hammer out your cups and fork bearing race and replace them with the one included in the conversion kit. Then install it with some tips online or something. Better then to buy another gay standard headset for like $40 and have it blow out again.
An FSA Pig is a really good Standard headset and costs £15, and the Mechanik doesn't seem to be available in the UK (I looked for one about 2 weeks ago).
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andyferly wrote:
This.
Standard headsets aren't bad, all or at least most MTBs still use em.BMX_Forever wrote:
Not true. Integrated Headsets have been on Mountain Bikes since before they were on BMX Frames, but while they tend to appear on BMXes in the ~$2-300 Mark, Mountain Bikes with Integrated headsets seem to be $4-500+.
andyferly wrote:
I never saw a MTB with an integrated, maybe because I'm just not into it.
I have see some scooter kids with integrated headsets though.
Yeah they do, not the sort you see locked up in town though, proper Mountain Bikes.
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isnowyaznV2 wrote:
I am ashamed at how no one has mentioned the Mechanik STI except Kevin.. If it's still on Danscomp, its $20. Go buy it, hammer out your cups and fork bearing race and replace them with the one included in the conversion kit. Then install it with some tips online or something. Better then to buy another gay standard headset for like $40 and have it blow out again.
Haha, Freddie mentioned that in the 9th post. So shame on you for shaming on him when he brought it up first. 
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MattSheffield wrote:
Does anybody run these headsets anymore? They seem rubbish!
BMX_Forever wrote:
They have been outdated by Integrated Headsets, but they're not really any worse. Integrated is still a bit better though, and that's why everyone uses it now.
It's actually not better, just easier to use/more user friendly.
Here goes:
Standard headsets have a press in cup, integrated do not. With that press in cup, if you ride with a loose headset, you will trash the cup first, and if you ignore it, THEN the frame. With integrated, you have no buffer between the bearing and the frame, thus riding with a loose headset will trash your headtube right away, causing it to ovalize, ruining your frame.
The integrated setup is also lighter, and with standards on everything these days, more desired. One other feature that integrated headsets have over standard is the angular contact bearing, meaning that the outer race of the bearing is at an angle (typically 45 degrees) which can handle side forces a tad better. Plus you don't need anything more than a little grease and an allen wrench or two to swap integrated headsets.
I can honestly say I have gone through more headsets since I got a frame with an integrated headtube than I did standard. And I am on my 4th integrated frame with about my 6th headset (and I am more meticulous about my setup being solid now than ever), but I ran 5 standard frames with 2 headsets, PLUS I took the standard frames apart and painted them about once a month, and rode a TON more.
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isnowyaznV2 wrote:
I am ashamed at how no one has mentioned the Mechanik STI except Kevin.. If it's still on Danscomp, its $20. Go buy it, hammer out your cups and fork bearing race and replace them with the one included in the conversion kit. Then install it with some tips online or something. Better then to buy another gay standard headset for like $40 and have it blow out again.
Excuse me, I DID!
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isnowyaznV2 wrote:
I am ashamed at how no one has mentioned the Mechanik STI except Kevin.. If it's still on Danscomp, its $20. Go buy it, hammer out your cups and fork bearing race and replace them with the one included in the conversion kit. Then install it with some tips online or something. Better then to buy another gay standard headset for like $40 and have it blow out again.
Chuck8273 wrote:
Haha, Freddie mentioned that in the 9th post. So shame on you for shaming on him when he brought it up first.
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