fit hood bird

i think a 75.5 headtube feels stupid at 20.5 top tube, but 75.75 on an even longer top tube means even less force is required to go otb
add a 25 offset fork and you have a setup that i would not be able to ride

I've got 21 inch top tube at 75 degree headtube with 13 mm offset forks and I'm loving it , thinking about trying a steeper headtube but might just stick to 75

my problem is being tall i want something that is long but responsive so using a steeper headtube angle to compensate for the TT length making it feel like a smaller but ya know i would not fit on a 20.5 lol in 07 my i rode a 20.75 s&m black bike loved the way it felt it was total trail geo too but knees would hit the bar

JonnyGanja wrote:

my problem is being tall i want something that is long but responsive so using a steeper headtube angle to compensate for the ...more

JonnyGanja wrote:

my problem is being tall i want something that is long but responsive so using a steeper headtube angle to compensate for the TT length making it feel like a smaller but ya know i would not fit on a 20.5 lol in 07 my i rode a 20.75 s&m black bike loved the way it felt it was total trail geo too but knees would hit the bar

i'm not sure if thats what you meant but the steeper the headtube angle, the longer the toptube will feel. so 75.75 by 21.25" will probably feel more like a 21.5". if you already know that, disregard this lol

ticaleb wrote:

i'm not sure if thats what you meant but the steeper the headtube angle, the longer the toptube will feel. so 75.75 by 21.25" ...more

ticaleb wrote:

i'm not sure if thats what you meant but the steeper the headtube angle, the longer the toptube will feel. so 75.75 by 21.25" will probably feel more like a 21.5". if you already know that, disregard this lol

yea but also brings the front wheel closer to the rear so giving it the response of a smaller bike ;-)

JonnyGanja wrote:

yea but also brings the front wheel closer to the rear so giving it the response of a smaller bike ;-)

JonnyGanja wrote:

yea but also brings the front wheel closer to the rear so giving it the response of a smaller bike ;-)

edit: disregard my bad mood response

Change your stem length and fork offset.

Nwewinit wrote:

Change your stem length and fork offset.

Nwewinit wrote:

Change your stem length and fork offset.

im getting a new frame regardless. i dont like my frame its too low and it too short

Dontt forget about the Savage frame, thats long and more responsive. Standover is a tad bit lower but telling the difference is so minimal. Ive gone from 8.9 to 9 and 9.25 standovers and it feels the same. Could of went with a Hood but I liked the Savage more with the shorter end.

JonnyGanja wrote:

my problem is being tall i want something that is long but responsive so using a steeper headtube angle to compensate for the ...more

JonnyGanja wrote:

my problem is being tall i want something that is long but responsive so using a steeper headtube angle to compensate for the TT length making it feel like a smaller but ya know i would not fit on a 20.5 lol in 07 my i rode a 20.75 s&m black bike loved the way it felt it was total trail geo too but knees would hit the bar

I would personnaly switch the problem, with shorter chainstays instead of a steeper headtube, both brings a more nervous bike but a twitchy direction can make the bike really scary to ride at a bowl or trail (but that´s just me, I like 75 angle with 33 offset).

Because you are tall (how tall are you ?) 21.5 toptube seem to be the way to go but I have also read the post under this one and this : "yea but also brings the front wheel closer to the rear so giving it the response of a smaller bike ;-)" this is not stupid ! But still to make the wheels closer, shorter chainstays really brings the funny and quick bike you want, it instantly become easier to pull up spin and stuff.
So what I really want to expose is not only what I like but i'm sure between these two bikes, the second will probably fit better what you like.
1) 21.25 tt / 75.75 ht / 13.75 cs
2) 21.5 tt / 75 ht / 13.25 cs
But maybe you perfect frame is a mix of that like 21.25" tt / 75.5 angle and short chainstays like 13.25" ?
So this is what I think on your frame, as you can see I'm not a big defensor of steep headtubes, an you want to go steeper than steep !
But whatever, think on any option of your frame, we never think too much before buying a frame.

Francky wrote:

I would personnaly switch the problem, with shorter chainstays instead of a steeper headtube, both brings a more nervous bike ...more

Francky wrote:

I would personnaly switch the problem, with shorter chainstays instead of a steeper headtube, both brings a more nervous bike but a twitchy direction can make the bike really scary to ride at a bowl or trail (but that´s just me, I like 75 angle with 33 offset).

Because you are tall (how tall are you ?) 21.5 toptube seem to be the way to go but I have also read the post under this one and this : "yea but also brings the front wheel closer to the rear so giving it the response of a smaller bike ;-)" this is not stupid ! But still to make the wheels closer, shorter chainstays really brings the funny and quick bike you want, it instantly become easier to pull up spin and stuff.
So what I really want to expose is not only what I like but i'm sure between these two bikes, the second will probably fit better what you like.
1) 21.25 tt / 75.75 ht / 13.75 cs
2) 21.5 tt / 75 ht / 13.25 cs
But maybe you perfect frame is a mix of that like 21.25" tt / 75.5 angle and short chainstays like 13.25" ?
So this is what I think on your frame, as you can see I'm not a big defensor of steep headtubes, an you want to go steeper than steep !
But whatever, think on any option of your frame, we never think too much before buying a frame.

im 6'4 i dont ride parks or trails i mean i could always build trails ( i have the property to do it) but im being lazy. all i ride is street haha but i use brakes as well. i know what everything on the frame does lol mostly seeing if anyone is running one of them yet.

i like the bb height as well same as my old s&m and i like a tall standover

I think you'd really like my setup since we're the same height and want similar things from our bikes, a short responsive wheelbase, but still plenty of room for our height. I've got a 21.4" Ballast, R25s, BSD Raider bars, and a tall stem with a short reach. (check my bike check)

I thought about the hoodbird, but I didn't like the bb height, 11.75-11.8 makes it feel like I'm up "on" the bike whereas 11.5 makes me feel "in" the bike which helps stabilize on such a responsive bike, if that makes any sense.The 75.75° ht with the 25 offset fork might be a bit much too.

Oddity wrote:

I think you'd really like my setup since we're the same height and want similar things from our bikes, a short responsive ...more

Oddity wrote:

I think you'd really like my setup since we're the same height and want similar things from our bikes, a short responsive wheelbase, but still plenty of room for our height. I've got a 21.4" Ballast, R25s, BSD Raider bars, and a tall stem with a short reach. (check my bike check)

I thought about the hoodbird, but I didn't like the bb height, 11.75-11.8 makes it feel like I'm up "on" the bike whereas 11.5 makes me feel "in" the bike which helps stabilize on such a responsive bike, if that makes any sense.The 75.75° ht with the 25 offset fork might be a bit much too.

i run bsd raider bars right now and topload stem haha.


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