pros and cons of bigger bars 9"+

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12/19/2016 3:48 AM

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12/19/2016 4:38 AM
Edited Date/Time: 12/19/2016 6:07 AM

Bar height is a personnal thing, you just got to try many things from too low to super high to see what you like the most.
Higher bars make the bike easier to lift up, but too high make it twitchy for riding at speeds and manuals (especially if coupled with short chainstays) and make you feel you ride a bar more than a bike, of course "too high" is subjective and depends on your height and your riding style.

Also, bar height don't mean anything alone, you also need, the stem rise, the amount of spacers and the head tube height to compare stuffs.
As an example, let's compare a 10" vs 8.75" setup (a friend bike and mine, same head tube dimension and same headset cap)

My friend setup ; 10" bar (254 mm) + 6 mm stem rise + 2 mm spacer = 262 mm

My setup : 8.75" bar (222 mm) + 33 mm stem rise + 12 mm spacers = 267 mm

So I am a bit higher with my smaller bar, I like my front end more because it feels more stiff (10" bars flex A LOT).

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12/19/2016 4:43 AM

Its personal preference but IN MY OPINION since you asked

1) You ride the bar more than the bike and it feels terrible

2) Begs to only be ridden at less that 5 mph next to a foot tall ledge

3) Looks goofy as fuck

4) Less conducive to hopping high or riding fast

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12/19/2016 4:47 AM

I don't think anyone needs any higher than 9". I've tried 9" with a topload and it felt utterly disgusting. I know everyone has their own opinions, but it gets to a point that it's just silly. Fashion over function. I'm currently on the market for 8.5" with my front load stem and 3mm spacer. Lower is so much more stable at speed. 9" with a topload should be more than enough for anyone

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12/19/2016 4:59 AM

im 5'9" and i have 8.5" bar with 35 mm rise and it feels small
so im thinkin of getting 9.5" bars and if i dont like it i can just cut down the steerer tube for like an inch
(idc about the weight tho)

also, will hops and spins be harder or easier

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12/19/2016 5:14 AM
Edited Date/Time: 12/19/2016 8:27 AM

tiho wrote:

im 5'9" and i have 8.5" bar with 35 mm rise and it feels small
so im thinkin of getting 9.5" bars and if i dont like it i can ...more

Try whatever you want to try, a full inch is a huge change tho, you should try a 9" first.

Also, up to a certain point, gigantic bars makes your bike feel smaller, maybe you should try a longer frame.

About hops and spins, these will not be easier or harder it will just feel different.
If you are too high, you'll lose some pop and it will be harder to do high hops.

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12/19/2016 6:08 AM

Pro's: Old guys like em.

Con's: You could die riding em.

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12/19/2016 7:58 AM

i personally ride 10" bars, im almost 6ft and its just more comfortable on my back and lets me ride for longer, i had somewhere around 6" rise bars at one point and it was harder for me to do tricks because i was so over the front end, higher bars helped me kind of lean back and sit farther back on my bike which has helped with learning new tricks

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12/19/2016 8:07 AM

I've rode 9 inch bars with a FL and cut forks here is my experience.

Pros:
Being less hunched over riding

Cons:
Loss of pop for spins
Looks stupid
Less height on hops
Weight but the bars I had were still only like 28 ounces
It's harder to get your weight over them for certain tricks because they're so big
Just overall felt too big I guess

I personally wouldn't go over 8.65 again.

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12/19/2016 8:59 AM

as mentioned, stem rise, spacers, etc all come into play when you talk about bar height.

as does BB height.

I just got a new frame. the BB is over an inch higher than my current bike. I can already tell that the 8.75 bars that I normally run on my bikes will be too low and cause me to be far more hunched over.

So i'm looking to get some 9.25 bars to help get my bars closer to where I think they should be.


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12/19/2016 9:00 AM

are you over 6'2 if yes then theyre great if no then youre a trendy nerd.

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12/19/2016 9:24 AM
Edited Date/Time: 12/19/2016 9:25 AM

I ride 9.25 with a top load Stem and 17mm of spacers. I'm probably gonna get a front load and 9.10 bars eventually. 9.25 is the highest I'll ever go.

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12/19/2016 12:58 PM

Currently riding 9.4 bars on a top load stem but its about to get changed to a front load stem in just a couple mins. The pros are I'm not hunched over on top of the bike, I can ride longer, my hops are still relatively the same. As for the cons it's harder to keep locked in with manuals.
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12/19/2016 1:27 PM

I agree that 9 should be the maximum for most but if your 6"5 you may need 9+ bars.

Pros: In my opinion highe rise bars allow you to be more up right and view that as a benefit. You can compare older props videos to the way that Stevie Churchill rides and see the difference in their spinal alignment.

Cons: It can feel weird while airing quarters and manuals.

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12/19/2016 1:55 PM

my frame has an 11.875bb and i ride a cut fork slammed down on my 120mm ht, a 31mm rise stem and 9.25 bars and my bars sit lower than friends who run a bunch of spacers, in my opinion i hate spacers, i feel like it throws off the balance on the front end of the bike, i like my stem right at the headtube not hovering an inch or so over the ht. but its all personal preference, and big bars isn't a new thing in bmx.

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12/19/2016 2:20 PM

N83gr8 wrote:

I agree that 9 should be the maximum for most but if your 6"5 you may need 9+ bars.

Pros: In my opinion highe rise bars allow ...more

6'4 10" bars, topload stem +35mm rise. 315mm forks uncut. much easier on my back one day im going to try 9.125 whenever GT releases them

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12/19/2016 2:37 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/19/2016 2:58 PM

JonnyGanja wrote:

6'4 10" bars, topload stem +35mm rise. 315mm forks uncut. much easier on my back one day im going to try 9.125 whenever GT ...more

Wow, even for your height a high rise topload plus a 10" bar sounds crazy high !

So you ride 10" bar (254 mm) + 35mm of spacers + 26 mm rise stem (by deduction) to get that crazy 315 mm total height, right ?

If that so, be careful, too many spacers put the fork steerer tube to high stress which is never good for big guys like us (I am not as big but still 6'1 and nearly 200lbs), a year ago I broke a steerer tube right below the stem and gone straight to hospital, even if in this particular case I only had a 5 mm spacer below the stem, the fork was shit (3 month old mutiny wands, never buy this crap) the thread was h25, I ride h24 now, the thicker the steerer tube the better but whatever I'm getting off topic, just don't ride too many spacers.

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12/19/2016 3:45 PM

Telling people you ride 10" bars is like admitting you killed someone . People freak out . Everyone is so sensitive about a number like nah go ride your own bike forget what I'm riding and fuck off.

I rode a front load stem and 10" bars and it was probably my favourite setup . They didn't flex and it was awesome riding a bike that didn't hurt my back . Hops felt nice . And I probably went bigger on that setup then a decent amount of people who talk shit about "only riding foot tall ledges" ( mind you that's what I do now , but gaps and drops felt amazing with 10" bars ) .

Currently I'm riding a topload and 9.5 bars and it feels decent I can probably go to 9.75 and be happy . It doesn't hurt , spins feel amazing and you feel more on top of grinds , more control in my opinion .

At the end of the day people will freak out about bars but they probably have 2.5 tires so ignore them and run what feels the best . I would never go below 9" from now on . Tried 8.85 and it lasted like 2 days haha

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12/19/2016 4:57 PM

JonnyGanja wrote:

6'4 10" bars, topload stem +35mm rise. 315mm forks uncut. much easier on my back one day im going to try 9.125 whenever GT ...more

In stock at Dan's

https://www.danscomp.com/products/362276/GT_OG_4pc_Bars.html

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12/19/2016 6:29 PM

Francky wrote:

Wow, even for your height a high rise topload plus a 10" bar sounds crazy high !

So you ride 10" bar (254 mm) + 35mm of ...more

i got it wrong its 165mm Steer tube length idk where i got the 315 number from.

my forks are deco fuforks 15mm offset made by profile in the USA.

as you can see in the bottom its nothing crazy but im honestly considering getting the same stem in a shorter reach though, i got the longest one 54mm reach without thinking how that would affect the handing so. 75HT, 54mm reach stem, 15mm offset forks isnt crazy responsive at all its kind of mellow. its also feeling a little tall to be honest so im gunna grab those new / old GT bars in 9.125. all my project money has been going into my motorcycle

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12/19/2016 11:02 PM

Francky wrote:

Bar height is a personnal thing, you just got to try many things from too low to super high to see what you like the most.
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Exactly right.

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12/19/2016 11:04 PM

N83gr8 wrote:

I agree that 9 should be the maximum for most but if your 6"5 you may need 9+ bars.

Pros: In my opinion highe rise bars allow ...more

JonnyGanja wrote:

6'4 10" bars, topload stem +35mm rise. 315mm forks uncut. much easier on my back one day im going to try 9.125 whenever GT ...more

Francky wrote:

Wow, even for your height a high rise topload plus a 10" bar sounds crazy high !

So you ride 10" bar (254 mm) + 35mm of ...more


I have never heard it said that too many spacers created a high cracking/snapping risk.
hmmmmmmmm.
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12/19/2016 11:43 PM
Edited Date/Time: 12/19/2016 11:47 PM

cmc wrote:
I have never heard it said that too many spacers created a high cracking/snapping risk.
hmmmmmmmm.

More leverage, it's that simple.

Imagine a slammed stem vs a stem on top of 50 mm of spacers, which one is stronger ? (which setup put more/less stress on th streerer tube ?)

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12/19/2016 11:44 PM

pnj wrote:

as mentioned, stem rise, spacers, etc all come into play when you talk about bar height.

as does BB height.

I just got a new ...more

An inch higher bb? That's a bit much! 11.5 is low, 11.8 is high

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12/19/2016 11:50 PM

Sorry for double post. I'm 6' and getting old, I've had back problems in the past, and taller bars actually made my back worse. It makes the front easier to lift, so in turn it's harder to balance for manuals, and that alone put more stress on my back than it being a little harder to lift but easier to balance.
Bmx's are already looking like scooters, won't be long until they look like pogo sticks

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12/20/2016 12:30 AM

pnj wrote:

as mentioned, stem rise, spacers, etc all come into play when you talk about bar height.

as does BB height.

I just got a new ...more

grumpySteve wrote:

An inch higher bb? That's a bit much! 11.5 is low, 11.8 is high

current frame is 11.4
Other / new frame is 12.5

one is 20 inch wheels, other is 22 inch wheels.

I want the same feeling from my feet to my grips. so I need taller bars. I think 9.25 should be fine.

Normally, I like 8.75 and anything tall has made it weird. We'll see how taller bars feel on the different frame.

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12/20/2016 1:39 AM

pnj wrote:

current frame is 11.4
Other / new frame is 12.5

one is 20 inch wheels, other is 22 inch wheels.

I want the same feeling ...more

Technically that'll only be .1" higher bb, as your wheels are bigger, so your front end will be 1" higher than on 20" wheels anyway?

I've thought about going 22", but I don't ride trails enough to justify it. I pretty much only ride street so a little bike makes more sense. My new frame will be more stable, and we're rebuilding this winter so it should be all good

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12/20/2016 2:47 AM

22's aren't just for trails. The one i'm building is stupidly small.

13.5 rear end, high BB, short top tube and 75 HT. it's far too twitchy for my liking but i'm bored so i'm building it up

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12/20/2016 8:55 AM

Francky wrote:

Wow, even for your height a high rise topload plus a 10" bar sounds crazy high !

So you ride 10" bar (254 mm) + 35mm of ...more

cmc wrote:
I have never heard it said that too many spacers created a high cracking/snapping risk.
hmmmmmmmm.
Francky wrote:

More leverage, it's that simple.

Imagine a slammed stem vs a stem on top of 50 mm of spacers, which one is stronger ? (which ...more


Maybe in theory, but it doesn't seem like a common issue.

I've seen bmx forks bend / break / snap in lots of ways. Never see one break above the headset.

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Here's a snapped steerer tube above the headset . . . but it's a mountain bike suspension fork, which (likely) has an aluminum steerer tube.
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http://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=102982
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12/20/2016 9:03 AM

cmc wrote:
Maybe in theory, but it doesn't seem like a common issue.

I've seen bmx forks bend / break / snap in lots of ways. Never ...more

Have seen videos of the tops of steerer tubes get ripped off by stems set too high

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